Posted on 10/31/2022 8:52:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Russia had four demands in March 2022 to end the war. Talks were progressing until the UK stepped in and said the terms were unacceptable. Now that Putin officially annexed the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, known together as the Donbas in eastern Ukraine, along with two other regions after holding plebiscites, there is not much to negotiate.
Russia wants Ukraine to stop all military action
Russia wants Ukraine to change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
Russia wants Ukraine to acknowledge that Crimea is officially Russian territory
Ukraine must also recognise Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states
The problem with that is that the West and its Ukrainian puppets lie like rugs.
The dirty RuZZians will never believe them again after Minsk.
This is all a good show for Russia's supporters in the non-West.
ZelenskyyIdiot does not want to negotiate.
The US/UK/NATO does not want to negotiate.
There will no ‘talks’ till the unconditional surrender of the Banderist Kyiv Regime.
The problem with #3 is that Russia invades its neighbours who are not part of NATO. That’s the reason Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and Poland requested to and joined NATO. That’s why Finland requested to join NATO.
Remember that in 1994 Russia swore to not only respect but uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine? And it broke that path.
From a Ukrainian perspective, if they don’t join NATO, then Russia will return in a decade or so and cause mayhem again.
Belongs to Ukraine. I'm aware that there are Russian separatists there. But if Putin is not careful, Ukraine will take back Crimea. So he should settle for a peace treaty while he is still able to do so. If Putin gets international recognition of Crimea, that's a win.
This is interesting and all, however now that the US/West has ramped up enough with artillery/ missiles/drones (do not believe for a damn minute that US/CIA is not doing this war) to swing this because the ‘demon’ Putin is not going along with the WEF.
Zelensky has said and the majority of Ukrainians have said that they will talk when Putin’s troops leave Ukrainian territory.
Otherwise it would be like you negotiating with burglars who invaded your home and claimed your front room as they weren’t able to grab all of your house.
After reading and seeing reports of Russia’s soldiers Vlad has some big time problems on his hands.
#1 will need to include people who lived there before 2014 and were chased out. And not include people who moved there from Russia after 2014
#2 is illogical, then you would say Estonia and Latvia should be part of Russia. And everything west of the original 13 colonies should belong to Spain or France or the UK.
#3 water supply could also come from Russia across the azov sea.
#4 it was neutral, but then Russia invaded in 2014
Please keep to reading those “reports” cause the “reports” I read indicate that the Ukrainians are and have been taking horrendous losses to manpower and military equipment with virtually no reserves left to draw from and a US/UK/NATO that is running out of military hardware to keep up with the replacement pace of Ukrainian hardware being destroyed....
If the Russians are serious, they should make a concrete proposal. The odds on it being anything Ukraine will or should accept approach zero, but no way to know for sure until they do it.
They have: Unconditional surrender of the Banderist Kyiv Regime.
You are so obviously a propaganda outlet that even the things you say that must be true (Ukrainians taking hard losses) can never be trusted in terms of stated severity.
First, because Russia was demanding that NATO make certain promises. Second, because most of the members of NATO have imposed economic sanctions that, according to this article, Russia would want to be lifted.
That doesn't make any sense to me, because the argument from the Russian side is that the sanctions have just made their economy even stronger. So why would they want them lifted at all?
But this is all speculation unless and until Russia makes a hard, specific offer. I think the odds of them actually doing that are very low, but I suppose it is possible.
Since when you been right about anything?
You are so obviously a propaganda outlet that even the things you say that must be true (Ukraine is winning!) can never be trusted in terms of stated severity.
Not joining NATO is an easy concession, but I seriously doubt they would accept any treaty that prevents them from establishing military alliances with other nations. That would essentially be giving up their sovereignty, and invite another invasion down the road. I expect they will receive significant security guaranties from the west for a period while they rearm and establish alliances.
Ukraine is NOT a part of NATO.
Therefore NATO has no business whatsoever being involved, period!
I think Russia considers a land bridge to Crimea as being part of “Crimea”, so that still means Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
Also, the idea of elections in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia should be a non-starter. Why doesn't Russia hold similar elections in Chechnya?
“Why doesn’t Russia hold similar elections in Chechnya?”
Cause Chechnya is too busy fighting in Ukraine on the side of Russia?
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