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Edward Snowden Didn't "Flee to Russia": Obama Trapped Him There
Stark Realities ^ | 10/01/2022 | Brian McGlinchey

Posted on 10/01/2022 10:50:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Krosan

Questions:

Do you think the IC community can be trusted?

Do you believe that Pres Trump is/was Russian spy?

Do you think feel that Operation Hurricane was legitimate investigation that later led to a ridiculous impeachment?

Do you believe or disbelieve that certain federal entities use certain media outlets as conduits to leak information, spread disinformation in an attempt to sway public opinion, or to outright lie in an attempt to cover up their own misdeeds?

Do you think that the search warrant served on MarALago was a legitimate operation?

Simple yes or no answers will suffice.


21 posted on 10/02/2022 3:27:05 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

Even if he isn’t a spy and was just some idiot, the guy deserves to be hung just for being so irresponsible...he downloaded stuff he had not even read and had no way of knowing how much damage it would do or how other people and critical projects might be harmed by it and took what he downloaded not only out of the SCIF and off site, but even out of the country. You aren’t a whistleblower when you steal stuff you haven’t even read much less understood, you are a glorified looter. He signed an agreement when he took the job and violated it. Instead of taking his concerns to an actual legal authority or an actual representative of Americans, he went international. Then he cuddles up to a reporter who was hanging out safe and sound with terrorists in Iraq.


22 posted on 10/02/2022 3:53:50 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SeekAndFind

A dually he took an Aeroflot flight to Hong Kong so he was in Russian hands from the outset.


23 posted on 10/02/2022 3:57:06 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SeekAndFind

Snowden provided a valuable service in revealing how thoroughly crooked our government was and is. It’s hard for me to see him in a negative light.


24 posted on 10/02/2022 4:19:16 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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To: piasa

So, you’re ok with the Deep State and government performing all this surveillance on anyone and everyone?

Who would he go to in Congress, the very people that have allowed and continue to allow this sh*t to happen? I’ll answer.....NO ONE.

So, you’re ok with the fact that neither Clapper, nor anyone else, has ever been held to account for any of this or their perjury? I’ll answer.....Yes I am ok with it and am secure in the thought that the same people that Snowden would have went to, to blow the whistle, are the very same people that did and still protect Clapper.

So, you’re ok with what Deepthroat did with Woodward and Bernstein? I’ll answer....Yes I am. I’m ok with government entities running to two over-glorified Washington Post hacks.

Do tell....According to Republicans in Congress, there are dozens of FBI whistleblowers and not one thing has been done but talk. Oh wait....wait until we get the majority again, then we’ll really do something about it.


25 posted on 10/02/2022 4:33:59 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: SeekAndFind

all of that once his original handlers in the CCP tossed him out of China.

The Eddy Snowjob story starts at the beginning in China, not in the middle of the ending in Russia.


26 posted on 10/02/2022 4:42:16 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Krosan; Liaison

You both gladly lick the boot on your neck. How does it taste?

“Because they knew it’d be easy to convince idiots he was a Kremlin spy. — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 26, 2022”


27 posted on 10/02/2022 5:03:38 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: Krosan

Yeah - because when the government hides it’s corruption by making everything about it “classified” then it’s a mortal sin to out them....Who are you trying to convince of your “patriotism”?


28 posted on 10/02/2022 5:09:15 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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To: Krosan
He stole over million secret documents and gave these to China and Russia because he is a traitorous SOB.

Do you have a source that shows he gave the documents to China and Russia?

29 posted on 10/02/2022 6:09:50 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: zeestephen
Snowden's "information" was nothing more than billions of completely useless emails and phone conversations.

If these billions of emails and phone conversations are useless, then why is the NSA collecting them?

What's the purpose of the data centers housing them?

30 posted on 10/02/2022 6:13:12 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: piasa
He signed an agreement when he took the job and violated it.

All of Congress, FBI, NSA, CIA, et al, took an oath to uphold the Constitution and they have violated it.

If only you held them in similar low esteem as you do Snowden.

31 posted on 10/02/2022 6:27:31 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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To: Gene Eric
"We have an interesting pool of intelligence here at FR — intelligence in the sense of data gathering and analysis. Assuming a high percentage of honest players, we manage to grind through the details pretty much exploring the realistic possibilities without individual reservations (although frequently contentious). In a way, FR is an undisciplined thinktank."

You mean an undisciplined FRAND? Overall, i see two types of conservatives on FR.

1. Pro-Christian social conservatives whose main priority is morality, and 1st amendment right to free exercise of their faith, and who support a limited government - opposing its overreach (and thus oppose Climate-Change scientism) but not as being anti-authority in general and support a strong military and 2nd amendment right to bear arms, but oppose Jan. 6 militant protest. And who voted for Trump as a general (albeit with personal faults) a culture war gone hot due to his policies, including draining the swamp and restricting immigration. Yet they tend to oppose Putin as one who opposes freedom of religion and its speech, while supporting his anti-LGBTQ stand.

2. Anti-government libertarians whose main priority is the 2nd amendment right to their arms collection, and who tend to support Putin as well as Snowden due to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle, such being rebels against liberal authority. This class supports Jan. 6 militant protest but tends to have little use for Christian conservatives, as they mainly want to be left alone. But they also voted for Trump as one who promised to drain the swamp and restrict immigration.

As for Snowden, aside from other debatable aspects, while exposing violations of the Constitution is noble, the way it was done invited more control of the CIA by liberals, which, as seen with the FBI, would not be a positive result.

32 posted on 10/02/2022 8:08:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: semimojo

RE: He can come home to the US any time he likes.

So, you’re saying that he won’t be facing arrest when he comes home?


33 posted on 10/02/2022 8:48:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
So, you’re saying that he won’t be facing arrest when he comes home?

Of course he will. I don’t think even Snowden believes what he did was legal, he just thinks it was justified.

How could DOJ possibly justify not arresting him?

His best chance is hoping for jury nullification or a pardon, which is as it should be.

His actions clearly show he knew he was breaking the law.

34 posted on 10/02/2022 9:10:17 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: daniel1212

That’s an excellent categorization — though, the attributes might be better differentiated over 3 groups.

Awesome. Thanks!


35 posted on 10/03/2022 2:54:21 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
"That’s an excellent categorization — though, the attributes might be better differentiated over 3 groups." Yes, the classification is not strictly either/or, and there is a mixed group (and some list up to 19 types of conservatives), but as regards a basic general description I listed two. Thank God if it helps.

Polls such as this I find faulty. Someday I would like to do a poll of FReepers, though only a percentage would see it and respond, and ask such questions as,

On the issue of faith, do you consider yourself to be (check one) a

    1. Agnostic? []
    2. Atheist? []
    3. Catholic? []
    4. Evangelical Christian? []
    5. Jewish? []
    6. Mainline Protestant? []
    7. Orthodox? []
    8. Other religious?
Ethnicity:

    9. Are you male [] or female [] (check one)?
    10 . Are you mainly white, non-Hispanic? []
    12. Black? []
Ideology:

Do you consider yourself mainly to be (check one),

    13. A social conservative, whose main (not singular) concern is the moral condition and direction of this country (and world), strongly opposing abortion in at least most cases, and homosexual unions and the homosexual/transgender demands, and upholding the First Amendment as the Founders manifestly understood it?[]
Of the 8 faith categories listed above, as what class did you answer the above question in the affirmative (check number); 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5[] 6[] 7[] 8[].

    14. Do you consider yourself mainly to be a libertarian and or financial conservative whose main (not singular) concern is strictly reducing government, and upholding the First Amendment as the Founders manifestly understood it, while aspects such as legislation on consensual sexual relations and its effects have a low priority, if supported at all? Yes[] No[]
Of the 8 faith categories listed above, as what class did you answer the above question in the affirmative (check number): 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5[] 6[] 7[] 8[].

As a social conservative, how do you answer the following questions:

    15. Do you strongly favor US support of the state of Israel and its overall defensive actions against Islamic/Palestinian demands, rather than Israel being the real problem? Yes[] No[]
    16. Do you mainly or strongly support Putin (if not all he does) in the war in Ukraine and opposing NATO, or Ukraine (if not all it does)? Yes[] No[]
    17. Do you support the violent actions of Jan. 6? Yes[] No[]
    18. Do you oppose the legalization of same-sex marriage, and requiring all states to validate the same? Yes[] No[]
    19. Do you oppose the legalization of abortion in most cases? Yes[] No[]
    20. Do you oppose government funding for prophylactics drugs to help prevent HIV (and foster sodomy)? Yes[] No[]
    21. Do you oppose government funding for birth control as well as abortion services in general? Yes[] No[]
    22. Do you personally practice or believe in contraception? Yes[] No[]
    As a libertarian conservative how do you answer questions #15-22?

    #15 (US support of the state of Israel): Yes[] No[]; #16 (support Putin): Yes[] No[]; #17 ( violent actions of Jan. 6): Yes[] No[]; #18 (legal same-sex marriage): Yes[] No[]; #19 (gov. funding contraception): Yes[] No[]; #20 (gov. $ hinder HIV via sodomy): Yes[] No[]; #21 (legalization of abortion): Yes[] No[];

    The following questions are for everyone to answer together:

      23. Do you support reducing the national debt thru reduction in government bureaucracy and social welfare programs? Yes[] No[]
      24. Do you support a stronger military? Yes[] No[]
      25. Do you support stricter restrictions on immigration Yes[] No[]
      26. Do you support less regulation of industry? Yes[] No[]
      27. Do you believe or strongly suspect 2020 voter fraud in the Presidential election was enough to change the outcome? Yes[] No[]
      28. Do you plan to vote for President Trump if he runs in 2024, or would you possibly vote for a candidate such as Ron Desantis, Ted Cruz, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley... Yes[] No[]
      29. Do you believe unprecedented (in civilization's history) Climate Change toward a dangerously warmer planet is real? Yes[] No[]
      30 Do you expect to spend eternity with God/Jesus in Heaven as one saved by obedient faith, or in Hell, or just the grave....

36 posted on 10/03/2022 6:31:39 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

Interesting sets of questions. No doubt the questions will touch upon varying sensitivities.

Regarding #17, the “violent actions” can amount to finger pointing.


37 posted on 10/05/2022 1:39:50 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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