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To: MNDude

If indeed the USA sabotaged those lines, then I even more ashamed to call myself an American. This is NOT the country I grew up in. My God, what has the USA become, other than just another despot run nation that is just begging to be destroyed.


6 posted on 09/28/2022 8:20:06 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: ducttape45

When I was a kid, people would say that what happened to my grandparents and dad in nazi germany couldn’t happen here. My grandfather used to say that it could happen anywhere. He and his family were deeply German. They may have been Jewish, but they were factory and shop owners and extremely German. He fought in WWI. He knew that if humanity was capable of turning on itself, it could happen anywhere. I didn’t want to believe that. He was right.


21 posted on 09/28/2022 8:29:56 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ducttape45

If we really did it, which I suspect, we just escalated the war. Who knows what can happen next? And for what? So Zelensky can join NATO?


38 posted on 09/28/2022 8:39:17 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: ducttape45

Some may have been wondering why I have been in the corner with Russia when it comes to the strife between Ukraine and Russia, while most people lament and feel sorry about those poor Ukrainians, well I do too. Considering that the fraudulent elections in the Ukraine in 2014 which brought that comedian to power was just the final straw to get this conflict started.

Even many years before this conflict turned bloody, the US as well as some of the driving forces attempting to bring about the so called “New World Order” had an ax to grind with Russia as they realized they could not control Russia neither would Russia fall in line with some of their ridiculous actions and demands. The people pushing the so called “New World Order” along with the help of many brainwashed and corrupt politicians in the west, who are the same pushing the green agenda, opposing global warming, are for reducing and culling the population, open borders, forcing vaccinations down peoples throats as well as initiating lock downs, attempting to force farmers to cull their herds, especially in the Netherlands, but not exclusively.

One reason given was to limit cow farts supposedly producing too much CO2 and preventing people from eating too much beef, hence some of the large scale demonstration by farmers. And the list goes on. So they had to find way to get Russia out of the picture and needless to say they could not just declare war and had to go about it the round about way, and the way was using the Ukraine as a proxy. They started over a decade or more ago to twist and turn people’s minds very similar what has taken place her in the US to get people riled up against Russia. Something very similar and related in nature happened to former president Trump as he was another one who would not go along with their crazy agenda and stood in their way so he had to go, via fraudulently rigged elections. And before they will allow him to run again, chances are that they may try to silence him by force if he doesn’t go away willingly.

Granted, the life in Ukraine under Russian influence may not have been the most desirable but it was not the worst either as there are far more unpleasant places. So the US along with their accomplices keep pounding away on Russia using the Ukrainians as their proxy, not surprisingly that Russia took issue for what I can’t blame them. In some ways it would be comparable to Texas declaring their independence and getting lined up with Russia and when the US doesn’t approve of it, Russia steps in supplying Texas with all kinds of war material.

Maybe now you may realize why I am not in favor of what the US is doing as I believe it was brought into being by the US in first place and now they try to keep it going for as long as they can. Aside all that, now they are brainwashing the public into believing that all the Ukrainian’s wanted was just a “Free” country and of course most of the public being pretty simplistic when it comes to politics is lapping it up hook line and sinker, just like they fell for that ill conceived vaccination scheme.

Needless to say, it really doesn’t matter what I feel, think or believe but in this particular conflict if feel that the US along with its misguided cohorts are the cause for this conflict and unless they come to their senses it may turn into something much worse.

I hope before long, that this whole issue will somehow be resolved and come to a peaceful solution and the bloodshed will end, but I am not very optimistic.


80 posted on 09/28/2022 9:26:12 AM PDT by Saintgermain
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To: ducttape45

You jump to conclusions way to soon. This is a false flag. There are many who have the capacity to attack the pipelines . Those folks want to discredit the US so they plant these accusations.


81 posted on 09/28/2022 9:34:09 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: ducttape45

“ If indeed the USA sabotaged those lines, then I even more ashamed to call myself an American. This is NOT the country I grew up in. My God, what has the USA become, other than just another despot run nation that is just begging to be destroyed.”
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America is now RULED BY A “BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY” CABAL of anti-American globalists who hate America. They will do ANYTHING to advance their projects NO MATTER WHO IS HURT OR KILLED.


89 posted on 09/28/2022 10:27:36 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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