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Why Ukraine Referendums is a Big Deal
News Click ^ | 9/23/22 | M.K. Bhadrakumar

Posted on 09/23/2022 3:16:08 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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“The 2008 Kosovo ‘referendum’ went against the Serbian constitution.”

Did it?

The Serbian constitution is silent on secession or declarations or votes on independence.

In 1999, subsequent to the Kosovo War, Kosovo became a UN Transitional Administrative State, to have autonomy within Serbia. Serb troops withdrew. The KFOR was established in Kosovo to keep the peace.

In 2008 Kosovo declared independence from Serbia. Serbia went to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to argue its case that Kosovo had no right to secede. Unfortunately for Serbia, the ICJ ruled against it in a 10-4 majority decision, holding that the secession did NOT violate international law and did not violate Resolution 1244 (addressed in an earlier post).

Because the Serbian constitution did not specifically address secession, the ICJ rejected Serbian claims that the move had violated its territorial integrity and “concluded that the declaration of independence on 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law”.

To date, 97 countries have recognized Kosovo’s independence. Of the five Security Council members (each holding veto power), three (US, UK, and France) recognize it; China has taken a wait-and-see position; only Russia opposes it.

But, Kosovo has a stronger argument for independence than Crimea or the DPR and LPR in the Donbas.

It doesn’t really matter what you or I think about Kosovo’s legitimacy as an independent state. And, this may surprise you, but I am on the fence about it, mainly because the Serbia constitution does not specifically address it. And, can we look to history for guidance? Yes. We can look to the United States in 1861. The US constitution, as the Serbian constitution, is also silent on secession; but subsequent rulings have held that the US constitution does not allow for secession.


61 posted on 09/23/2022 6:29:22 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: cranked

Military training is often worth nothing at all. All accounts of Russian conscript training indicate its extreme low quality. Without retraining it loses its value.

These people need a reserve system, with scheduled call-ups, a cadre of qualified reserve officers (no such system there) and NCOs (nearly nil), reserve stocks of equipment and weapons and ammo (not there), facilities for retraining suitable for general mobilization, etc.

In six months I’m quite sure Europe(Nato) could train as many soldiers as it needs, from civilian to soldier, to a better standard than Russian reservists. And they will be backed by professional armies.


62 posted on 09/23/2022 6:36:19 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tlozo

Was Chechnya part of Russia while in the Soviet Union? Or was it a separate SSR? (Note: I already know the answer)


63 posted on 09/23/2022 6:44:55 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Was Chechnya part of Russia while in the Soviet Union? Or was it a separate SSR? (Note: I already know the answer)

Then you're aware that Russia has not allowed the 'Chechen Republic' to gain independence.

64 posted on 09/23/2022 6:47:54 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you...familiar with Nuland, just didn’t recognize her from that picture for some reason. My bad.


65 posted on 09/23/2022 6:49:38 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: tlozo
Are you against constitutional process and for Revolution? If Chechnya was not an independent Republic, why should unconstitutional unilateral secession be acceptable?

Are you for the Biblical concept rule of law? If so, why would you support unconstitutional Revolution?
66 posted on 09/23/2022 6:58:28 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Are you against constitutional process and for Revolution? If Chechnya was not an independent Republic, why should unconstitutional unilateral secession be acceptable?

Soviet Union fell apart. Or are you arguing that Poland and the Baltics should still be under Russian rule?

67 posted on 09/23/2022 7:03:43 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

No, Poland and the Baltics were not part of Russia. They were separate Republics. Chechnya has been part of Russia since at least 1830.


68 posted on 09/23/2022 7:41:38 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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No, Poland and the Baltics were not part of Russia. They were separate Republics. Chechnya has been part of Russia since at least 1830.

On May 16, 1992, according to the amendment to the Constitution of the RSFSR, the de facto disintegrated Chechen-Ingush SSR received the name Chechen-Ingush Republic.

On June 4, 1992, the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation adopted the Law on the Education of the Ingush Republic.The creation of the republic was submitted for approval by the supreme authority of Russia – the Congress of People's Deputies. On December 10, 1992, the Congress of People's Deputies of Russia approved the formation of the Ingush Republic by its resolution and made a corresponding amendment to the Constitution of the RSFSR 1978, which officially divided the Chechen-Ingush Republic into the Ingush Republic and the Chechen Republic. This amendment was published on December 29, 1992 in the "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" and entered into force on January 9, 1993 after 10 days from the date of official publication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checheno-Ingush_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic

69 posted on 09/23/2022 8:34:52 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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If you liked the fair and reasoned voting under the Soviet
Union that gave it’s leaders 90.00% plus each election day,
and you loved the way Putin just keeps on winning after
18 years because everyone just loves him, you’re gonna love
these referendums.


70 posted on 09/23/2022 9:31:23 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: cranked

Yup the videos of these well trained conscripts and reservist give me great confidence


71 posted on 09/23/2022 5:02:27 PM PDT by blitz128
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