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To: RitaOK

Speaking of “EVIL”...

We forget the UKR government was corrupt ONLY BY RUSSIAN EMBEDDED AGENTS behind this snarly battle from the start.

Points to remember:

1. Independent Ukraine
The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991.
(About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.)
[When Ukrainians voted for independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, all of its 24 “oblasts,” or regions – including Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea – supported Ukraine independence.
The minority of ethnic Russians were included as Ukrainian citizens in an independent state voted for independence. The ethnic Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine’s east did not automatically support the separatists or want to be part of Russia.

Since 2014, some 1.5 million people have left the Donbass to live in other parts of Ukraine.

The exact point is the minority ethically Russian or Russian speakers other ethnic minorities in Crimea & Donbass region were living peacefully For most of the first two decades after Ukraine independence.

In other words, being an ethnic Russian or a Russian speaker does not indicate that one sees its self as part of the Russian World. There has been an increase in sentiment of a strong, unified Ukrainian identity since 1991.

Most Ukrainians see their future as a sovereign country that is part of Europe. Of course, this DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS PUTIN’S GOALS. Putin FANTASIZES A RUSSIAN EMPIRE BY invoking the concept of the “Russian World” or “Russkiy Mir” – that Russian civilization extends to everywhere that ethnic Russians live no matter where Russians are in the world

THEN in 2022, Putin invasion was fought against by Ukrainians that wanted their FREEDOM from Putin/Russian control.


24 posted on 09/11/2022 8:54:08 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I do not argue against the people of UKR. I think it perfectly possible the Ukrainian people are no different than we Americans, who had no idea the depth of corruption of their government.

My argument was confined to the UKR usefulness to NATO
to poke the bear.


25 posted on 09/12/2022 1:27:39 AM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Publik Skules/Academia = The Farm Team for more Marxists coming. Infinitum. )
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