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Ukraine's mysterious battle to retake Kherson
The Week ^ | 9/6/22 | Peter Weber

Posted on 09/06/2022 10:59:50 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: Paleo Conservative

Given the civilian targets NATO hits, I’m guessing they received sufficient warnings to warrant postponement.


21 posted on 09/06/2022 11:33:09 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: MercyFlush; SaxxonWoods

Also the Ukrainians have used HIMARS to damage the bridges across the Dnieper enough to prevent trucks from crossing but not soldiers on foot. If the Russians evacuate the area west of the Dnieper river, they will have to do so without their equipment and ammunition. The Ukrainians already know how to use all that equipment.

The Ukrainians could gain control of the dam over the Dnieper and cut off the supply of water to Crimea. This would mean the population of 2 million would no longer be roughly self-sufficient in food production but be dependent on food brought in by the Russians. This would put more stress on the Russians logistics.


22 posted on 09/06/2022 11:35:22 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: JonPreston

One thing is sure. There are no Pattons, Lees or Pullers now.


23 posted on 09/06/2022 11:39:25 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: JonPreston

In case anyone doesn’t remember the “Institute for the Study of War” quote throughout the article - in includes such Notable never-Trumpers and devilish neocons as the Kagan family, Jack Keane and Bill Kristol


24 posted on 09/06/2022 11:39:29 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

The ISW is a neocon think tank funded by some of the country’s largest defense contractors. Jack Keane is repulsive.


25 posted on 09/06/2022 11:43:21 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Paleo Conservative

Public safety reasons...obviously.

Doesn’t mean Ukraine is pushing the Russian forces out, just that its dangerous for civilians to travel to polling stations.


26 posted on 09/06/2022 11:55:28 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: PGR88

The Kagans are related to Stalin’s Ukrainian henchman Lazar Kaganovich.


27 posted on 09/06/2022 12:02:59 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: MercyFlush

“Kherson is a Ukrainian city. Retaking it for Ukraine is the objective and the advantage is in denying it to the invaders.”

What a terrible excuse. There’s no military advantage mentioned at all. Russia’s strength is heavy artillery with longer range than Ukraine’s and now soldiers will be holed up in a static area that can be pummeled at will and those soldiers will just have to take it, can’t even return fire. This sounds like a terrible use of personnel.


28 posted on 09/06/2022 12:07:18 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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To: PIF

That’s a must better answer than the other commenter gave. OK, we’ll see what happens next.


29 posted on 09/06/2022 12:10:33 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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30 posted on 09/06/2022 1:12:55 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: MercyFlush

Control of the Dnieper River exit. It’s a big deal.


31 posted on 09/06/2022 1:17:17 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: SaxxonWoods

They can clear the West Bank of the Dineper from the Kakhovka Dam to the Black Sea. They can liberate a large occupied city. It also pushes the Russians further away from Odessa.

Also the somewhat isolated location allows the Ukrainians to test their offensive capabilities (logistics, troops, equipment, and commanders) in an area where they have some give if things go wrong.


32 posted on 09/06/2022 1:23:52 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Atsk about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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33 posted on 09/06/2022 1:29:14 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: SaxxonWoods

“This sounds like a terrible use of personnel.”

The Russians can end this war any time they want to. Tell them to pack up and leave and then the dying can stop.


34 posted on 09/06/2022 1:49:30 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: JonPreston

...to be rejected by Biden.

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So Boris Johnson was just the face? he order came from Joe?


35 posted on 09/06/2022 1:50:46 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Pxzftrnqfrn

...we did not have 13 billion for a border wall with Mexico.

Now 50 billion for Ukraine is no biggie.
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The USD was worth more under Trump.

To be fair.


36 posted on 09/06/2022 1:52:03 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: PIF

...access to the Black Sea and keeps their grain flowing.

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Well, once upon a time, Ukraine charged Russia and Europe transit fees for the gas pipeline flows.

I believe Russia would just return the favor, via contract, of course, specifying method of payment.

Fair’s fair, right?


37 posted on 09/06/2022 1:58:57 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Nailed it!!


38 posted on 09/06/2022 2:02:44 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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#YURI DAILY: Long-expected Ukrainian offensive near Kharkov to thwart the entire Russian plan for the autumn, the last chance for Zelenski to show some success. So far, Ukrainian troops reached the Verbovka (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3560065) village next to Balakleya and stalled, the Allies move reserves for a counterattack. At the same time Russian offensive towards Stari Saltov in the Kharkov region.

Intriguing Allied gains near Novopol (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3946780), potentially menacing the entire enemy front between Donetsk and Velikaya Novoselka. Kodema was finally and fully taken by the Wagner men, Mayorskoye under assault, to reach the flanks and rear of the Bakhmut group and commence the Slaviansk-Kramatorsk operation. Two attacks at the Kherson front by the Ukrainian side were repelled.

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Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President now needs a spectacular victory before the contact group meeting in Ramstein to request new offensive weapons. To do this, Bankovaya demanded that the General Staff organize two counter-offensives, which should give confidence to the West that Ukraine can wage an offensive war. Over the past two months, reserves have been accumulating, and the most prepared units have been assembled in the Krivoy Rog and Kharkov directions. The office of the President went for broke, throwing all the reserves on the counteroffensive.
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39 posted on 09/06/2022 2:37:59 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: reformedliberal

No - Russia has nothing to do with Ukraine grain shipments from Odessa which are underway now. Russia gets nothing ... other than more of their Black Sea fleet sunk.


40 posted on 09/06/2022 2:43:11 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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