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There were some Ukrainian advocates and agents on FR that were convinced Ukraine would take back Kherson any day now.

They won't.

They'll never possess it again.

1 posted on 08/17/2022 9:11:58 AM PDT by Mariner
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The plans are on Hunter’s laptop.


2 posted on 08/17/2022 9:14:27 AM PDT by Obadiah (Finishing is better than starting.)
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Apparently Russia bolstered their forces to 25K soldiers in that area. They are now at risk of being cut off from supply as the bridges to their area are being destroyed. Was it all a feint? That would imply a level of ingenuity the Ukrainian Army hasn’t displayed anywhere else.


3 posted on 08/17/2022 9:18:42 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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Like any good long con, there is always the *next* request for money with the promise of reward, which never happens.


4 posted on 08/17/2022 9:19:08 AM PDT by Flick Lives (FJB and the corrupt FBI)
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“More money first, please.”


5 posted on 08/17/2022 9:19:12 AM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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Waiting for more Biden-weapons. Keep some, sell the rest.


6 posted on 08/17/2022 9:19:16 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself.)
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I think it was a feint ..


9 posted on 08/17/2022 9:23:03 AM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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They are still in training.


10 posted on 08/17/2022 9:23:24 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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Ukraine has telegraphed its big counteroffensive for months. So where is it?
Nice own goal.
So... the Mighty Russian War machine is still unable to defeat small Ukraine.
12 posted on 08/17/2022 9:29:03 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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From https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4086278/posts


the Russian invaders have become entirely reactive - they no longer dictate where the fighting should occur and when. For instance, when Ukraine broadcasted their plans to counter-attack towards Kherson, Russia drew down the resources for their offensives in Donbas and rushed these to the south to counter the Ukrainian initiative.

As the Russians crammed forces across the River Dnipro, Ukrainians simply applied their long-range artillery to destroy the sole remaining bridge there (the Antonivskyy bridge) and the Russians on the western bank of the Dnipro are now stuck and cut off from their lines of communication. In the mean while, Ukrainian forces started counter-attacking towards Izium and Russia lack the reserves to respond. Nor can Russia redeploy their forces in Kherson, because the bridge is down and the entire area is now a death trap.”


13 posted on 08/17/2022 9:31:18 AM PDT by Cronos
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Ukrainian artillery and rockets provided by the U.S. and allies have smashed bridges and Russian ammunition depots close to the city, but the larger movement of infantry has yet to happen. Meanwhile, the Russians are reinforcing and digging in.

Effective deception has long been an important strategic component of war. I don't know who is "winning" this war, but it doesn't seem to be going away. Time is not on Russia's side. If Russia moved forces in reaction to a stated counter offensive, it seems plausible that Ukrainian leadership at least anticipated it. Ukraine has already proved to be more capable than the world expected. Is it that big of a stretch to imagine it was strategic deception?

I don't know what a Russian victory looks like. But I know what a "quagmire" looks like, and the "Russian invasion" seems to be shaping up to fit the bill thus far.

14 posted on 08/17/2022 9:35:31 AM PDT by Tenacious 1
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“Ukraine has telegraphed its big counteroffensive for months. So where is it?”

Ukraine started the offensive by systematically destroying airbases and munitions supplies in the area and they’ve also targeted the bridges in the area to prevent a Russian retreat from Kherson.

Unlike the Russians who started an offensive without first preparing the way for the offensive the Ukies are taking out the REMFs before going head to head with the Orc combat troops.


17 posted on 08/17/2022 9:45:34 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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Destroying the bridges of the Dnieper in the south is going to cause supply shortages for the Russians defending Kherson.

Maybe then the Ukraine will start its attack.


18 posted on 08/17/2022 9:54:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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Agree.

The announcements are simply to rake in more money.


19 posted on 08/17/2022 9:55:02 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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“Ukrainian advocates and agents”

Ok, Mr. Russian Advocate/Agent.


20 posted on 08/17/2022 9:55:26 AM PDT by Boogieman
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The Ukrainians don't have the force to launch a massive counteroffensive, and some of that was propaganda to keep up Ukrainian morale.

But, it is equally true thatthe Kherson salient is a terrible defensive position. The first step in retaking it is to isolate the battlefield, so that's what is happening. The Ukrainians will retake it eventually simply because it is a horrible position.

The only way the Russians can hold it long term is to take expand their foothold west/north of the Dnieper to include a lot more land, and they don't have the force for that.

Geography says it will eventually be Ukrainian again.

34 posted on 08/17/2022 10:15:32 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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The silver lining is this is the second proxy war in a row lost by the World Police. The days of being able to push countries around is almost over and planet earth will be better for it.


38 posted on 08/17/2022 10:19:08 AM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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I don’t think you’re suppose to tell everyone your military plans.


42 posted on 08/17/2022 10:32:21 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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“You have been awarded a Red Star sticker for your continued support of the Motherland.”


44 posted on 08/17/2022 10:52:08 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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These things are vastly more difficult to accomplish than most media and keyboard warriors understand. It took years of building and training to land 150,000 troops at Normandy. And the Allies’ bases weren’t constantly harassed by the Germans because the Allies had air supremacy over Britain. Russia used months to set up their invasion, also without being constantly harassed.

The claim that the Ukraine was building a 1 million man army to assault the Russkies was pure overblown hype from the word go. Imagine the logistics. A million rifles? 20.000 machine guns? Thousands of artillery pieces. Ammunition. Uniforms. Helmets. First aid kits. The list is endless.

The months of training required. All the while Russkie satellites are overhead. Any large formations in training would likely be attacked.

Unless maybe Zee was planning to send the troops in with only half of them armed and the rest expected to capture Russkie weapons.


45 posted on 08/17/2022 10:58:32 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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Patience jackass, patience.


46 posted on 08/17/2022 11:00:28 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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