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Air Force general says U.S. and allies ARE considering sending an array of fighter jets to Ukraine and give pilots accelerated training to ramp up Western involvement against Russia
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Posted on 07/21/2022 3:48:21 PM PDT by algore

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To: Gen.Blather

My professors were Indian, Chinese, two British (Oxford grads), Russian and a few Americans.

You’re right, engineering in not appreciated much anymore. It’s as if Americans have become allergic to science.


61 posted on 07/21/2022 5:57:31 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: algore

GF’s son is support for one of the mentioned fighter types that would likely be deployed. She is a nervous wreck that he will be sent to Eastern Europe.


62 posted on 07/21/2022 6:01:06 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Joe Biden, VOTUS. Vegetable of the United States.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That will put a buzz kill on the Zelenskyy masturbators.


63 posted on 07/21/2022 6:04:40 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Joe Biden, VOTUS. Vegetable of the United States.)
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To: StAntKnee

A hugh and series mistake.
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Depleting our arms is treasonous. Doesn’t anyone remember the not long ago Biden arms give away ( debacle) to Afghanistan?

Some facts: our Javelin and Stinger inventories are depleted by 1/3, our Himars also 1/3, the Marines M777 depleted, not to mention our 155mm projectile stocks and small arms, night vision stores, etc….our defense companies stated two to three years to get inventories back, hello?

Wake up, it appears the US is getting “demilitarized “, our aviation sector is getting crippled, and Vlad says Checkmate again….


64 posted on 07/21/2022 6:09:21 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Thunder90

and directly involve Polish forces.
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Poland minister remarks recently released ( leaked): they are putting a 20,000 man force to deploy in the Ukie Old Polish territories as a Peace Keeping force when Ukraine is carved up. Hungary and Romania also have dibs on their old territories situated in Ukraine…..just the fact EU nations are discussing the post war Ukie nation carve up should tell you something.

There is going to be a lot of disappointment for the Ukie war cheerleaders.


65 posted on 07/21/2022 6:20:30 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Reno89519

Sounds like an entrance ramp to WWIII to me.


66 posted on 07/21/2022 6:23:39 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: delta7; All

Things we were never told by the media concerning Putin’s trip to Iran.

Why oh why did our Deep State fools have to instigate this conflict with Russia. Trump did everything he could to keep Russia in our orbit and out of the hands of China, et al to the degree he could even in the face of them trying to destroy Trump and Putin. And now the demented mummy (or whoever has been directing him) has gotten us to this point...:-(((

NEZYGAR
Expert opinion. Expert Yulia Yuzik, author of the telegram channel Yuzik-Iranian Power, on the significance of Vladimir Putin’s visit to Iran.

Vladimir Putin’s visit to Iran - the most strategically significant of his entire reign - seems to have borne fruit. But it’s too early to rejoice. There was little ceremony on this trip for Putin: after a short greeting with President Raisi, he went to meet Iran’s de facto head, Ayatollah Khamenei. Most of the negotiations were held behind closed doors.

The spiritual leader (rahbar) paused negotiations on a nuclear deal with the United States, waiting for Putin to arrive to see the final “case from Russia.” This package of proposals was supposed to outweigh the benefits of a deal with the Americans, but until the last moment it was not clear what Putin could offer the pragmatic Khamenei so that he would strategically go into the “Russian” orbit.

Prior to the trip, Putin laid a few cards on the table - he finally launched the North-South corridor, linking Russia with India through Iran. The latter has lobbied for this corridor since the time of Ahmadinejad, but the project has been frozen.

On July 11, it was reported that Russia would buy drones from Iran, and on July 15, Putin signed a law on Iran’s free trade with the Eurasian Economic Union. It was said that Russia would invest $7 billion in the Azadegan field, located on the Iran-Iraq border, and allowing both Iran and the Russian Federation to sell oil as “Iraqi”. All this was not bad, but it was not something that interrupted the American proposal.

And now in Tehran, Putin is seriously raising the stakes in this political casino: on July 19, Gazprom and the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) sign a $40 billion memorandum of understanding. Gazprom plans to invest in the Kish, North Pars and South Pars gas fields. The French (Total), Italians (ENI) and Chinese fought hard for the latter. But even the Chinese, with their “deal of the century” for a quarter of a trillion dollars, were not allowed to enter South Pars by the Persians.

Actually, if these plans are destined to come true, we can talk about creating the most powerful gas monopoly in the world under the Russian roof. Not without reason at the Astana summit, under the guise of which the meeting of the heads of Russia, Iran and Turkey took place, was attended by Erdogan.

Formally, he came to resolve issues related to Syria and the Kurds in the north of the country (PKK), which are a serious headache for him. But behind the PKK, smiling and waving, are the Iranian IRGC, or rather, Al-Quds with its network proxy apparatus, and Moscow. So Erdogan will have to reckon with both Tehran and Moscow. Isn’t that why he had a mournful face throughout the summit?

The fact that Putin and Khamenei still agreed on something is also evidenced by the fact that the Iranian leader indirectly supported the actions of the Russian Federation in Ukraine (“if you had not taken the initiative, the other side had unleashed a war on its own initiative”), and through his military General announced his “readiness to export weapons.”

The price of such an alliance - investments, partnerships in oil and gas, Syria and Iraq, arms supplies - is hardly possible without including the S-400 in the bill. For without a Russian nuclear missile shield, Khamenei is hardly ready to make such high stakes against the US and Israel.
Let’s also not forget that Iran’s nuclear program continues outside of the deal, and this is what the Iranian leader sees as the only possible means of sovereignty. Obviously, Khamenei will continue to trade with the West, and the “window of diplomacy” will be open to the last, no matter what. That is, until about the end of the year, he will increase trading with the United States to the maximum and see if the Russian scheme works.

Putin has carte blanche in his hands today, which he can use. “The New World Order” is the headline of the Iranian edition of Mehr today. In it, Putin’s visit is considered precisely in the context of an alternative to Biden’s visit to the Middle East.

The stakes are high, the risks are serious (to the point that Moscow has put everything in Iran on one political force), the game is grandiose, but it is not over yet.


67 posted on 07/21/2022 6:23:48 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: DannyTN

“...wouldn’t be hard to get a declaration of war if we need one in the future.”

News flash genius. We don’t need one unless you have a death wish. I cannot fathom the stupidity of some people here.


68 posted on 07/21/2022 6:25:48 PM PDT by chuckb87
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To: delta7; All

Resident
⚡️⚡️ ⚡️#Inside
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President puts pressure on Zaluzhny and demands to launch a counteroffensive within a month in order to disrupt the referendum, which is being prepared in the South of Ukraine occupied by Russian troops. The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when discussing the counteroffensive on Kherson, gave estimates of losses in the Ukrainian army, up to 20 thousand killed and 50 thousand wounded. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have never taken a large city by storm, but only defended and have no experience in offensive campaigns, the last attempt ended in heavy losses in June.


69 posted on 07/21/2022 6:28:32 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: algore
'We'll be open to discussions with them about what their requirements are and how we might be able to satisfy them,' the Air Force head said during the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado on Wednesday.

Just don't hold that meeting in Vinnystia Ukraine...right General?

70 posted on 07/21/2022 6:37:49 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: algore
'We'll be open to discussions with them about what their requirements are and how we might be able to satisfy them,' the Air Force head said during the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado on Wednesday.

Here's a question, since the Ukraine is neither an ally nor a member of NATO...

...What is EUROPE doing, contributing, providing, you name it?

Europe is most impacted by the Russian aggression, should not THEY by the first responders?

71 posted on 07/21/2022 6:38:38 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston Churchill)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Endless war

Nuclear war

They want the west dead


72 posted on 07/21/2022 6:43:17 PM PDT by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives. Leftists are genocidal. )
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To: Jan_Sobieski

see my tagline


73 posted on 07/21/2022 7:02:39 PM PDT by Bobalu (A dem asked what side I was for in Ukraine, I said "I'm against the commies" -- He got real pissed!)
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To: PIF

You are right. That was exactly what was done with the M 777 Howitzers. The computerized fire control systems were stripped off.


74 posted on 07/21/2022 7:06:02 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: algore

SU 25s will make short work of any Warthog-especially with a green pilot thrown into battle.


75 posted on 07/21/2022 7:16:02 PM PDT by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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To: ansel12

I think the air arm of the RF army is not the main consideration. Here’s a digression, but it’s relevant.

About two days ago the UFA had success with HIMARS hitting the Antonov bridge near Kherson, as well as a bridge/dam area a bit north. Because the HIMARS only carries a 23kg warhead, the damage was very limited, but repeated days like that could destroy that infrastructure. Why did the HIMARS work so effectively on that occasion? Because the UFA intelligence arm learned that the RF had rotated out the S300s protecting that infrastructure, and the UFA pounced. Within the last 24 hrs 12 more HIMARS were launched, and all of them were shot down. Why? Because the RF had moved in S400s.

My point is that the RF air defense is known to be “scary good” by military experts, and the HIMARS wipe out is evidence that that opinion should be respected. The RF also has more advanced S500s to deploy, and S550s about ready to deploy. My concern is that any combat aircraft is a far easier target than a HIMARS missile (small radar profile and a very small physical target). If we send in UFA “trained”, but rookie pilots, in F 16s etc. against RF air defenses, I fear it would not only be an escalation, but it would also be a turkey shoot. In sum, sending planes is a very bad idea. Of course, our defense contractors would be quite happy to have planes sent.


76 posted on 07/21/2022 7:22:45 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: ansel12; All

I think the air arm of the RF army is not the main consideration. Here’s a digression, but it’s relevant.

About two days ago the UFA had success with HIMARS hitting the Antonov bridge near Kherson, as well as a bridge/dam area a bit north. Because the HIMARS only carries a 23kg warhead, the damage was very limited, but repeated days like that could destroy that infrastructure. Why did the HIMARS work so effectively on that occasion? Because the UFA intelligence arm learned that the RF had rotated out the S300s protecting that infrastructure, and the UFA pounced. Within the last 24 hrs 12 more HIMARS were launched, and all of them were shot down. Why? Because the RF had moved in S400s.

My point is that the RF air defense is known to be “scary good” by military experts, and the HIMARS wipe out is evidence that that opinion should be respected. The RF also has more advanced S500s to deploy, and S550s about ready to deploy. My concern is that any combat aircraft is a far easier target than a HIMARS missile (small radar profile and a very small physical target). If we send in UFA “trained”, but rookie pilots, in F 16s etc. against RF air defenses, I fear it would not only be an escalation, but it would also be a turkey shoot. In sum, sending planes is a very bad idea. Of course, our defense contractors would be quite happy to have planes sent.


77 posted on 07/21/2022 7:23:08 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Jan_Sobieski

They are protecting ukraines borders? No

Protect Christianity? No they don’t. Putin loves communism and misses it. He loves the propaganda of defending Christianity but he does not.

I prefer the United States of America over Russia.

Does that bother you?


78 posted on 07/21/2022 7:24:20 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: algore

While this is well short of what the Russians did for North Korea and North Vietnam, it’s better than nothing. The Russians were extremely generous in their provision of both jet fighters and pilots to their North Korean ally. The model handed over was their latest and greatest - the MiG-15, which swept anything not the F-86 Sabre from the skies. In addition, thanks to the participation of Russian pilots, literally dozens of Russian aces were created at the expense of many hundreds of US pilots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15#Soviet_MiG-15s_in_the_Korean_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_War_flying_aces#Soviet_Union
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/seventy-years-ago-soviet-mig-15s-attacked-american-pilots-180977440/

The Russian defense of Chinese supply lines likely led to the deaths of thousands of GI’s. That stubborn defense meant the Chinese were resupplied with food, equipment and ammunition, and the kinds of supply interdiction operations that literally starved Japanese forces during WWII were ineffective.


79 posted on 07/21/2022 7:47:04 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: algore

This is a very bad idea. Sucking us into WWIII for nothing. Biden needs to be removed. This is a bad idea to create something from nothing.


80 posted on 07/21/2022 8:13:44 PM PDT by wgmalabama (We will find out if the Vac or virus risk was the correct choice - put the truth above narrative )
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