I never heard anyone say Russia would collapse. But they sure are having a tough time of it.
Says the clueless Soros stooge.
Yeah. Their 3 day war is going into its fifth month.
I have.
They said it when they were claiming the Ruble would implode.
They claimed Putin would face being booted, killed or that he’s facing a terminal illness...
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/world/vladimir-putin-unlikely-survive-invasion-ukraine
They claimed Ukraine would actually invade Russia and not just take back it’s land but seize even more.
They claimed casualties that were so ridiculously high that it was near comedic...
They claimed Russia would lose their ass in Mariupol.
They claimed there was no Nazi issue with the Azov unit... What’s that (the MSM just ignored it - pretended it away).
All of that was circulated, as “factual” news that you can trust, which passed the “fact checkers” on Facebook, MSNBC, CNN...
Propaganda is only that which does not fit the narrative. One sided opinions, dreamed up fantasies of vast victories as Ukraine is losing ground, people (not talked about), equipment is not seen as “propaganda.” Imaginary casualty numbers are taunted as a victory (reminiscent of Vietnam where we were talking about a body count for the enemy on our news every night) as Ukraine is losing (i.e. failing at accomplishing their stated political and military objectives) are used as some distraction and lessening of what is actually happening, Ukraine is losing ground ~ 20% of their landmass and population thus far, lost a major port city and industrial area... Ukraine at this point is an unstable nation with internal security issues, a de facto dictator which outlawed the political opposition, with a damaged infrastructure, millions of displaced people, and tens of thousands of dead. They will not be a NATO member and despite what the EU claims publicly, they won’t want them as a full member either (they would be inheriting a liability - not what the big 3 want).
This war, which was started by us, and is protracted by us, only serves one purpose at this point, attrit the Russian forces (do as much damage as possible both to reduce them on the world stage as our competitor, but also to make them pay). Ukraine is not getting its land, people, port city or industrial area back and at this point Ukraine is paying the price for our (the West) bigger global strategy of weakening Russia. In fact, Ukraine is paying a disproportionate price at this point (ie they are losing far more than the Russians are in terms of people and damage to ones country). But when you’re gambling with other peoples lives it’s easy to be audacious and Mr Z does whatever we tell him.
Ukraine already lost the war. It’s already mostly over. At this point it’s a back and fourth with the intent of attritting each other but the lines are pretty much drawn and the Russians took most of what they wanted. https://www.ft.com/content/4351d5b0-0888-4b47-9368-6bc4dfbccbf5 There is no doubt the Russian paid a much higher price and that this war took much longer than they anticipated. The combination of our massive intel, training the Ukrainians since 2015, money (cash used to hire a small mercenary army of ~ 7,000 men - also much avoided by the Western MSM since this too doesn’t really look good), and massive arms deliveries have had a huge impact. Will the Russians try to make us pay for that, of course. But that comes later... Of course when they play the same game back with us, we will be outraged, shocked that someone dare arm folks in Iraq, Yemen, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, North Korea and these weapons be used against us... How dare they?!?!?! Like the economic games we are playing, where in part we are also affected, the Russians will return the favor with the proxy war games as well. Just give that some time.
Was it worth it?
Was all this worth Biden’s unilateral decision: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
No one is pinning the blame for an entirely unnecessary war, where the outcome was known and the risk of that happening very high, while the added benefit was very small (NATO membership) on Biden. This is a mess that is 100% Biden’s doing, but no one talks about that. How much sense does this war really make at this point? Did Ukraine (trash now) really benefit? If you look at risk and return on investment, was that decision to push for NATO membership of Ukraine which was a war path really worth it? Who here thinks that Ukraine will fully recover in 2, 5, 10 years? Now that they have been trashed (the economic benefits are lost), once an agreement is reached, do you really believe the West (US and EU combined) will continue to pour money into the Ukraine at a rate ~1/3 of their entire GDP?
I know we have a Ukraine war fan-club here. But the only real loser at this point is Ukraine, they lost in (((EVERY))) respect, not only losing the land, people, port city and industrial area, but also their economy, internal stability, deaths, displaced population and worst of all, any hopes for NATO membership (what this war was caused over) and likely even EU membership. What we try to present as some victory in our “fact checked” MSM is in reality losing, losing, losing, losing... for Ukraine. Please, other than going into the realm of imaginary, tell me one way how Ukraine walks away from this better off?