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To: Zhang Fei
There is no stalemate. Ukraine is losing 1000 troops by ITS OWN ADMISSION. Ukraine is getting its ass kicked.

Only sociopaths want to see the Ukrainians fight to the last man and lose every single inch of their country. But, that will happen unless Ukraine surrenders.

The neocon sickos here couldn't care less about the Ukrainians. This all about futile, feckless attempt to harm Russia that is failing miserably.

The Russians already have gained land that comprises 70-80% of Ukraine's former GDP. That land will remain controlled by Russia and their allies in the DPR and LPR.

13 posted on 07/08/2022 7:55:49 PM PDT by Kazan
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Kazan: [There is no stalemate. Ukraine is losing 1000 troops by ITS OWN ADMISSION. Ukraine is getting its ass kicked.

Only sociopaths want to see the Ukrainians fight to the last man and lose every single inch of their country. But, that will happen unless Ukraine surrenders.

The neocon sickos here couldn’t care less about the Ukrainians. This all about futile, feckless attempt to harm Russia that is failing miserably.

The Russians already have gained land that comprises 70-80% of Ukraine’s former GDP. That land will remain controlled by Russia and their allies in the DPR and LPR.]


Ukraine ping

At this point in Operation Barbarossa, the Germans had killed or captured 5m Russians. The Russians went on to beat the Germans back. In fact, it was American Lend Lease supplies to amounting to $11.3b that kept Russia alive and in the war. That was 8.75% of the US economy at the time.


https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html
[Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

“I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war,” Stalin said. “The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.”

Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

“If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,” he wrote in his memoirs. “One-on-one against Hitler’s Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.”]
https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543


If we provided 8.75% of the US economy to Ukraine today, the dollar amount would be $1.93T. We have appropriated $40b. That’s 1/50 the Lend Lease aid for Russia during WWII. Note that Russia was a genocidal regime that had a part in kicking off WWII through its provision of a secure eastern front to Germany for its invasion of France and the Low Countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

Russia’s side deal cost the US 400,000 dead GI’s in WWII.

The war has only just started. Even the short Polish-Soviet War lasted 25 months. As aid to Ukraine builds up, and the Russian economy stalls, Russia will start to gasp for air. And that is when Ukraine will pull off its version of Poland’s Miracle on the Vistula, provided the weaponry it lacks is made up by the West, much as Poland’s was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)

Then, as now, Germany supported Russia (albeit only on the down low today), much as the West supported Russia’s traditional victim. Some things don’t change.


21 posted on 07/08/2022 8:57:34 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Kazan

The Russians already have gained billions in oil sales thanks to Biden’s Ukraine strategy and placed many countries into hardship the only friend he has is Xi.


38 posted on 07/09/2022 8:58:26 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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