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News10NBC Investigates: Letters warn about problems with some third-party companies that power your house (Green Goes Bust In Upstate NY)
whec.com ^ | 6/2//22 | Berkeley Brean

Posted on 07/03/2022 3:47:24 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU

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To: Adder
The author is "Berkeley Brean," so I naturally thought "can you expect better writing from Berkeley?"

I figured it had to be a bad cut and paste job, so I went to the original site and that mangled sentence is right there in Berkeley's original article. BUT, it turns out it is a lousy transcription of a video investigative report by Berkeley. He spoke good English in his video report and somebody really butchered the transcription.

Source Power blamed a "volatile market, war in Ukraine and COVID for causing financial challenges to third party energy companies." Energy Cooperative of America blamed "extreme pressure in markets and price spikes."

I'm surprised Source Power didn't blame Trump and Putin directly.

How viable are these companies if they cannot weather predictable economic upsets?

Too bad Berkeley didn't dig a bit deeper and expose the folly of solar power in upstate New York.

The Source Power site is a real laugher...

"Bridging the Gap Between Solar Development and Utility Customers: A Free Subscription to Local Solar Farms Provides Guaranteed Savings to Supply Customers. Community solar is an array of solar panels that have been installed in a specific area that allows nearby residents to have access to the clean energy that is produced."
The solution is obvious: Brandon needs to step up and provide greater subsidies to these companies.
21 posted on 07/03/2022 5:25:53 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: mewzilla

Yes, I refuse to get “sucked into” the third party generator shams. Period.


22 posted on 07/03/2022 5:26:33 AM PDT by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nation of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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To: Sacajaweau

Does anyone know how much energy a solar farm in the Rochester area actually produce since it is cloudy in this area? So far this summer we are getting some great weather but in the winter I think at times we are lucky to see the sun.


23 posted on 07/03/2022 5:31:59 AM PDT by LoveMyFreedom
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To: Blueflag

Blueflag wrote: “When we retire, we’ll be able to afford our utility bills. Will you? FJB.”

We won’t have any issues paying our bills. We are having a whole house generator installed next week but that’s because we don’t trust Biden to keep the lights on. Our 24Kw generator will.

We did look at a solar/battery set up. It produced half the power at three times the cost.


24 posted on 07/03/2022 5:32:14 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: Sacajaweau

26% ITC. List price of about $85K ( batteries were cheaper then ). Turn key, 25 year full maintenance and support.

15% cash discount.

It was a great deal overall

10 kW system. 20 kWH batteries.

Work the amortization against the then average power bills, it was a 12 year payback.

With the rate increases, it’s about 7.5-8 now.

Oh, operating cash flow is really positive.


25 posted on 07/03/2022 5:38:56 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: LoveMyFreedom
Watching a couple shows....apparently it's about storing the energy when the sun does shine...I'm seeing storage units in basements and sometimes outside. I also see that they're very expensive.

I pay about $600 a year for my electric...my heat is gas...

The systems are not cheap. Do I have to live to 100 to get my return??

26 posted on 07/03/2022 5:48:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: DugwayDuke

24Kw? Yikes! Not messing around. Choice of fuel?


27 posted on 07/03/2022 5:49:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Sacajaweau

And that’s the problem with renewables: grid integration. And as a problem, that’s a biggie.

On a household basis, though, renewables make a lot of sense.

But the way Deep State is doing it isn’t about common sense, protecting the planet.

It’s another scam. Just like CoupFlu. Just like Ukraine.


28 posted on 07/03/2022 5:51:39 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: mewzilla

And a note to any journo worthy of the job description who may be lurking: I’m not kidding about our land banks.


29 posted on 07/03/2022 5:52:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: AbolishCSEU
The first letter told customers the company has to cancel fixed-rate contracts because they don't they're going out of business.

I know how to do that in bankruptcy. I suppose it will cut down on bankruptcy if all you have to do is send a letter. Maybe some sort of state regulatory power that the contracts were subject to? Or just clever drafting by $1200 an hour lawyers?

30 posted on 07/03/2022 6:00:50 AM PDT by PAR35
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“I will dispute any statement that well designed RESIDENTIAL solar with batteries doesn’t work.”

Sunny Days Per Year:

Phoenix — 299
Atlanta — 217
Rochester (NY) — 165

Daylight Hours on Winter Solstice:

Phoenix — 10
Atlanta — 10
Rochester — 9

Snow Covered Solar Panels (annual snowfall):

Phoenix — 0
Atlanta — 1”
Rochester — 77”

What may work in Arizona and Georgia, may not work in upstate NY.


31 posted on 07/03/2022 6:02:14 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Blueflag

The money has always been in the ‘building green’ not the ‘operating green’. You are in the right end of the buisness.


32 posted on 07/03/2022 6:04:22 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: mad_as_he$$

It was a no-brainer to go with NG since we already have NG on the property for heating and cooking. You need to be careful on the power ratings since the fuel affects the generator output. Our 24kw is for propane. It’s 21kw with NG.


33 posted on 07/03/2022 6:14:56 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

NG will probably be the last source to fail in hard times. I don’t have that option here - sadly. I am aware of the downrating charts.


34 posted on 07/03/2022 7:31:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Labyrinthos

No question.

One HAS to be realistic about production.

One would likely have to nearly double the number of panels I have (34) to get the same annual production. So unless and until panels, wiring and inverters drop to half the cost per kilowatt produced, you won’t go ROI positive in the higher latitudes. If you just WANT to do it, perhaps for resilience/backup, then count it as a solid state generator (zero ROI for fueled generators) that you use every day.

Be honest with yourself about production and expectations.


35 posted on 07/03/2022 8:16:10 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: DugwayDuke

Difference is you use your Solar system every day. Generators are seldom used.

We used to have a dual fuel Generac on a different house. Used it twice for real in 8 years.

$18K all in for using it twice? There’s no ROI for that.

Solar system you use every day.

I’d refigure your costs 😉

BTW, we still have the Generac, fully amortized now, as a secondary backup. But its plug it on/manual right now
Once Enphase releases the generator integration software, we can reattach the Generac for auto failover and/or wattage augmentation.


36 posted on 07/03/2022 8:23:05 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: Blueflag

Blueflag wrote: “Difference is you use your Solar system every day. Generators are seldom used.”

We didn’t get the system to recover costs.


37 posted on 07/03/2022 9:34:32 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; DugwayDuke

“NG will probably be the last source to fail in hard times.”

should NG ever fail, it’s back to cave living and wood heating for the tiny handful of survivors, and the shakeout will occur in a matter of weeks ...


38 posted on 07/03/2022 10:21:33 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: DugwayDuke
i went with NG as well for whole house backup, but derating at my altitude of a mile plus derating from gasoline to NG gives my rig about 15 Kw ...

i choose a portable installation with the unit on a trolley kept in heated garage on trickle charger plus quick connects when needed, instead of fixed outdoor installation due to brutal winters that could bury outdoor unit in snow and freeze engine oil, exactly the times it's most likely to be needed ... as is, i can connect it and start it IN the garage, instantly power the whole house and then roll it out under the garbage-can shed ...

39 posted on 07/03/2022 10:43:56 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: DugwayDuke

Good. That’s the right answer, and you already know that.

Best of luck. Enjoy your 4th.


40 posted on 07/03/2022 11:01:51 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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