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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

If its authentic its kinda weird how it has the image of Jesus developed centuries later and not the one in the earliest depictions.


14 posted on 06/12/2022 5:00:37 PM PDT by jarwulf
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To: jarwulf

Actually the image we are familiar with are from photography, you can pull out contrast from something with negatives.


17 posted on 06/12/2022 5:09:33 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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There are a number of compelling pieces of evidence to support the claim that the Shroud of Turin is authentic:

1. The Shroud of Turin did not attract much attention around the world until the end of the 19th century. The reason for this is is that the Shroud itself did not seem to be all that spectacular. It was an ancient piece of fabric with what appeared to be the image of a man on it. What changed all of this was the advent of photography. An Italian photographer named Secondo Pia received permission to photograph the Shroud during one of its rare public displays, and while he was developing the film he produced a negative that had far more detail than the original image (the dark image of the Shroud that you often see in pictures is the negative, not the original). The implication of this was immediately clear to Pia: The "negative" he was looking at was actually the real image, and the "original" image on the Shroud was actually the negative -- which meant that whatever process was used to produce that image was identical to a photographic process that the world had only discovered recently. It is so unlikely that I'd consider it damn near impossible that someone invented photography 700-800 earlier and then never left any evidence of it.

2. The Shroud cannot possibly be "proven" to be a fake until someone can figure out how the image got there. Even those scientists who insist that it was a forgery are at a loss to explain how someone in the 12th century could possibly have created something that human beings cannot even create today.

3. While most artwork from the Middle Ages depicting the Crucifixion shows Christ nailed to a cross with nails driven through his hands, the image on the Shroud does not show this. Instead, it clearly shows nail wounds in the wrists, which is exactly how a person would have been nailed to a cross -- because nails driven through the middle of the hand would not support the weight of a human body without tearing through the hand. If someone in the 12th century was intent on making a realistic forgery of Christ's burial shroud, then why would he depict the crucifixion in a manner that did not match the prevailing view of how the crucifixion occurred?

4. The hands shown on the image appear to only have four fingers -- leading to speculation that perhaps the person whose image was on the Shroud had his thumbs cut off before "burial." The reality is that the image is anatomically correct, because driving a nail through the wrist between the two bones of the forearm (the radius and the ulna) damages one of the key nerves in the wrist and produces a reflexive reaction in which the thumb is drawn across the palm in such a way that it is not visible from the back of the hand. I find it extremely unlikely that a forger in the Middle Ages would have known such minute detail about human anatomy that he would have been able to replicate the results of this reflexive action.

5. One of the most serious flaws in the argument that the Shroud was created by someone in the 12th century is this: Almost no anatomic detail is visible in the image unless you get further than 15 feet away from it. If someone HAD "painted" it, he/she would have had to have used a paintbrush over 15 feet long!

22 posted on 06/12/2022 5:18:31 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: jarwulf

The shroud is flattened to two dimensions. It would have been wrapped in three dimensions. Distortion would be expected.


45 posted on 06/12/2022 5:57:50 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: jarwulf

the 1988 decision Im sure was a controlled one to delegitimize those who believe


131 posted on 06/13/2022 3:44:00 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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