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Divisions Emerging in Europe Over Ukraine Conflict
Townhall.com ^ | May 25, 2022 | Rachel Marsden

Posted on 05/25/2022 9:19:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Travis McGee
CNN Don Lemon, believe it or not: CNN Military Analyst Col. Leighton (Ret.): It's game over here if Russians do this. It's actually a good hones [from CNN believe it or not] analysis of what the Russians have been doing and why it is effective at a strategic level.

Of course it mostly ignores the tactical advances that Russia has made at it learns how to operate effectively in Ukraine against modern western systems. Arrogant folks in the west just sort of presumed that the Russians started off ignorant and incompetent and were too stupid to learn, preferring to die on the battlefield while sticking stubbornly to their way of doing things.

41 posted on 05/25/2022 5:41:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Apparatchik

I love how the Russians are so stupid that they are retreating backwards through Ukrainian lines in Donbass and the Ukrainians have to move quickly to avoid being encircled by the swirls of Russians running away to the West.


42 posted on 05/25/2022 5:51:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson; Travis McGee

The Globohomo propaganda machine has also been making every Russian flag officer or colonel who dies into a “victory is right around the corner” story.

It’s only a US military tradition (and a recent one at that) that the perfumed princes have to be protected at all costs.

Generals and colonels in winning armies still say “follow me” instead of “I’m right behind you”.


43 posted on 05/25/2022 6:01:49 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Love's redeeming work is done)
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To: Jim Noble

Our way of war is so superior with top end $135M F-35’s with mission availabilities running as high as 17-20% although the Naval variant at 10% availability still needs some improvement. If we can get one of those suckers in the air it is going to be a bad day for the guy trying to fly against it.


44 posted on 05/25/2022 6:10:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Travis McGee

Get this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/24/american-fighters-ukraine-white-supremacists-00034860

Seems as if the media only acknowledges Nazis in Ukraine when it suits their need to attack US conservatives.


45 posted on 05/25/2022 11:38:14 PM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: AndyJackson

If Ukraine was smart they would start talks now and keep Odessa Otherwise they will lose the black sea port. We will see Mr. Z. fly to Florida soon to join his family in a nice mansion and a job on CNN. Russia has all the cards now—and if they play them right—they will win. Unless Poland marches in with US and UK to win our own victory?


46 posted on 05/26/2022 12:11:34 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Jim Noble

“The results of barrages from the TOS-1A thermobaric MLRS”
VIDEO CLIP
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1529771411023306753

Our Genius Generals spent twenty years and trillions of dollars losing to the Taliban, leaving billions in weapons behind, and the Taliban only had AK-47s and improvised IEDs, and no air assets at all.

But I’m sure the Genius Generals of the Pentagon would do MUCH better against Russia, right next door to Russia.

Especially now that we have Lady Rangers.


47 posted on 05/26/2022 4:24:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Our Genius Generals spent twenty years and trillions of dollars losing to the Taliban, leaving billions in weapons behind, and the Taliban only had AK-47s and improvised IEDs, and no air assets at all. ...But I’m sure the Genius Generals of the Pentagon would do MUCH better against Russia, right next door to Russia.

The current antiseptic high tech American style of warfare overlooks a crucial thing. That stuff works against ships and aircraft and really expensive hardware, but to control what happens on the ground you have to hold ground and exclude others from using the ground. And that means boots on the ground willing to engage in the bloody nightmare of combat on the ground killing people.

Anyone who read EB Sledge's classic book "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" or y T. R. Fehrenbach's book on the Korean War "This Kind of War" would get a clue about the problem. You cannot defeat the guy trying to knife your pilot on the ground by taking off in a B52 and bombing your own base.

We blew Sadam out of his villas, but we created the Iraqi resistance. As Tom Schelling wrote in his classic "Arms and Influence" even unconditioanl surrender isn't really total surrend in the sense that you didn't fight the war to utterly exterminate a people and a culture. And so what you can get in war, even total war resulting in total surrender of the other side's military only gets you so much.

You never take the house. You just get another turn at the table.

48 posted on 05/26/2022 5:42:26 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
but to control what happens on the ground you have to hold ground and exclude others from using the ground. And that means boots on the ground willing to engage in the bloody nightmare of combat on the ground killing people.

Which means, inspiring and holding the hearts of men.

Can you imagine Milley or Austin doing THAT?

49 posted on 05/26/2022 7:28:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Love's redeeming work is done)
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To: Kaslin

Italy and France are far from the front-lines, so they think that in the case of a war, the Central European nations will take the brunt of the attack.

The UK see’s that helping the Ukrainians is bolstering its image among its former allies in the EU - the central european states.


50 posted on 05/26/2022 7:45:31 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Kaslin
Some EU member states know that their citizens are fed up with the chaos and are now taking the first tentative concrete steps toward peace

Kissinger wants Ukraine to give up territory for peace.

That won't work with Putin. He'll take some today and tomorrow come back for more.

51 posted on 05/26/2022 7:46:13 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: dsrtsage

it’ isn’t the beginning of winter. That’s another indication of the utter failures of Russia’s invasion.

Now the gas usage is down. Germany, Poland, etc. have the time to switch and build up reserves.

It won’t be easy, it won’t be cheap, but it will be possible and it IS possible


52 posted on 05/26/2022 7:47:38 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Sacajaweau

In 3 months? September? Nope.

November, yeah, but not earlier


53 posted on 05/26/2022 7:48:05 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: JonPreston
JonPreston Nato is broken, thank God

So you are happy if a defensive group that protects its members form Russian attack would be weakened?

well, you are going to be disappointed - Putin has actually strengthened NATO

NATO was due to be scrapped in another couple of years if Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine

54 posted on 05/26/2022 7:49:33 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: dsrtsage
Well, then Europe will have to choose between their population having heat or whether american politicians get to keep their worlds largest money laundromat and prodigal son employment agency

Dude, what are you talking about?

Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria all are in this war because they know that they are next on the Russian eagle's target list if Ukraine falls

Germany is in this to rejoin the rest of humanity and not be seen as supporting an aggressor Nazi state like Putin's Russia

the UK is rebuilding its network of allies

These countries are not doing it for the USA in any way.

55 posted on 05/26/2022 7:51:56 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: dsrtsage
I'm sure it's already behind the scenes that we're gonna be sending them some. We're already taking a million barrels out of the reserve.

Congress has to step in!!!

56 posted on 05/26/2022 7:54:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: crz

Zelenskyy’s family are still in kyiv, so there isn’t a “removal of the Zelenskyy fmaily from Ukraine”


57 posted on 05/26/2022 7:55:26 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: crz
And "impending general collapse of Ukrainian forces along the eastern front"????

This was as of April 13th

this is as of May 19th

Russia has given up in the north around Kharkiv and retreated.

in the east it looks like they have slowly advanced.

Will this lead to encirclement? Perhaps - but as you see in the map below, they've been trying to do this since March 2022 and failed.

Is it a breakthrough? No. Is it a Russian victory? a minor one, yes.

Can they translate this to something more? Well, that depends.

58 posted on 05/26/2022 8:00:03 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Sacajaweau

“they now have Donbas”

“they” haven’t got Donbas - not yet.


59 posted on 05/26/2022 8:06:44 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Kaslin

If you look at Intel Slava Z there’s a lot of Soviet symbology showing up there.


60 posted on 05/26/2022 8:32:00 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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