Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The lessons of the Ukraine War: A "teaching moment" for nations worldwide.
American Thinker ^ | 05/16/2022 | Uldis Sprogis

Posted on 05/16/2022 7:16:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-36 last
To: Lurker

No nation is mature enough to handle planet killer weapons.


21 posted on 05/16/2022 7:44:21 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Seek refuge in Christ. He is your sword and shield.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121; All
China has a fanatical Chinese military....As in the Korean conflict, they will fight to death.

Maybe, maybe not. In Korea they had hundreds of thousands of veterans who had fought the Nationalists and Japanese for 20 years. Many of them were from large families. They knew privation and horror.

Today's Chinese military has never been in a fight. The officers buy their commissions in order to make money. All the troops are the only child from their parents.

22 posted on 05/16/2022 7:44:22 AM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil
If Ukraine is losing, why is the area occupied by Russia diminishing on a daily basis?

The battle in the Donbas has settled into an artillery duel where the Russians assault deeply entrenched Ukrainian positions. It's almost like WWI, so I'm sure casualties are very high on both sides, but since the Ukrainians are defending, probably significantly higher for the Russians. Meanwhile, because it began mobilizing when the war started, Ukraine now has 1 million men under arms.

If the Russians had any brains, they'd propose a settlement where they retreat to the Feb. 23rd lines, and ask for recognition of the Crimea annexation and annexing the parts of Donbas they already occupied and call that victory.

23 posted on 05/16/2022 7:48:29 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: who_would_fardels_bear

Well put.


24 posted on 05/16/2022 7:55:49 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: pierrem15
If Ukraine is losing, why is the area occupied by Russia diminishing on a daily basis?

"A Child's Garden Of Military Thinking", by pierrem15.

Scheduled to be released in fall of 2022.

25 posted on 05/16/2022 8:02:13 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Teaching moment? How about a serious, open minded look at the last 5,000 years of human history? It’s all there for anyone who can read.


26 posted on 05/16/2022 8:09:42 AM PDT by Spok (Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil
You don't really have a rational response, so you have to resort to stupid ad hominem attacks.

The simple fact is that the net balance of Russian territorial gains since February is diminishing every day. Ukrainian SOF is even able to operate far behind Russian lines, blowing bridges and harassing Russian forces. Russia has already retreated out of most of the Kharkov oblast, which is exposing the northern flank of their forces in Donbas to Ukrainian attack and artillery on their supply routes. Right now there is a WWI like slog around Severodonetsk.

Whether Ukraine possesses the forces to eject the Russian army from the rest of Ukraine is open to question. But Russia certainly isn't winning, and if Russia is unlucky, the Russian army in Donbas may reach the same condition as the Germany Army in 1918 where it is no longer willing to fight and begins to withdraw regardless of orders.

27 posted on 05/16/2022 8:43:08 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: marktwain

Chinese troops need special counseling if they spend a week or two in the field. Very tough. /s


28 posted on 05/16/2022 9:25:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: pierrem15
You don't really have a rational response, so you have to resort to stupid ad hominem attacks.

There's a difference between mockery and an ad-hominem attack.

I was mocking you.

Taking Western-Ukrainian Media propaganda at face value is not a place I start my thinking at.

Where are the Ukie mechanized forces gonna get diesel to turn over their engines, now that Kremenchuk got plastered yet again?

From the herds of Finnish unicorns being driven south to Ukraine by the Allied Lapland cavalry?

29 posted on 05/16/2022 9:30:57 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil
Where will they get diesel? Trucks. Russia can destroy lots of Ukrainian infrastructure and the West can just truck in supplies.

Russian fools have decided to invade a country almost 1/3 its size in population that has an almost unlimited amount of supplies available from countries representing 60% of the world's GDP.

30 posted on 05/16/2022 9:34:57 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: pierrem15
Russia can destroy lots of Ukrainian infrastructure and the West can just truck in supplies.

The trucks that will be destroyed on the roads in from western Ukraine by Russian aircraft that control that airspace.

BTW, the guys at the Duran mentioned today that one of the problems in bringing fuel from the West is that the rail gauges are different - the very same problem the Wehrmacht ran into during WWII:

Alex Christoforou:

here the the issue is going to be for the military, so that they can keep this war going. and the only way that they're going to be able to get fuel to the front lines is if they move the fuel now from poland and slovakia.

the problem with moving the fuel via rail from poland and slovakia is that the railroad tracks are a different configuration.

and so it's going to be super difficult to get the fuel up to the border of poland and slovakia.

to get it there and then to switch up, offload the fuel.

unload the fuel, switch it over to different railway tracks and then move that fuel to where it needs to go.

and it's going to be a massive undertaking and then that's all with the assumption that the russians don't do anything to blow apart the fuel that's moving from the west to the center and to the east of ukraine.

31 posted on 05/16/2022 9:50:24 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: pierrem15
that has an almost unlimited amount of supplies available

That have to travel under the eye of the jabos of the Russian air force...

32 posted on 05/16/2022 9:51:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil

LOL The Russian air force seems to be keeping rather low to the ground these days and doesn’t venture too far inside Ukrainian controlled territory. The only use of the strategic bombers so far is to launch cruise missiles.


33 posted on 05/16/2022 10:12:29 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: kiryandil
That have to travel under the eye of the jabos of the Russian air force...

You have a very rosy-eyed view of Russian prospects, my friend. All the Russian assets are constantly under the view of surveillance satellites in low earth orbit, controlled by several entities which give/sell the information to the Ukrainians.

Which means Russian assets are constantly in danger from precise drone and artillery attacks. The Russians do not seem to have a lot of smart munitions.

The Russian air force does not control the skies over most of Ukraine. They have dominated over the area Russian forces on the ground hold.

It remains to be seen how well the Russians are using their satellite surveillance. So far, it does not look like they are using it very well.

34 posted on 05/16/2022 10:14:07 AM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: marktwain
All the Russian assets are constantly under the view of surveillance satellites in low earth orbit, controlled by several entities which give/sell the information to the Ukrainians.

Indeed they are.

You are entirely correct in this point.

35 posted on 05/16/2022 10:17:32 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Be careful what you wish for. This is a country that is still trying to whitewash the atrocities their soldiers committed during the second world war. They still refuse to acknowledge the atrocities of the RAPE OF NANJING.

And let's not dismiss their murder and torture of thousands of American POW's. Or the deaths of millions of civilians. When I was stationed in Guam in the 80's there were still plenty of people who had first hand experience of Japanese brutality. Pretty much everyone had either first hand knowledge, or a story of a parent, grandparent, cousin or aunt/uncle who were murdered, raped or tortured by Japanese occupiers.

All that said, I don't expect we will have reason to fear a nuclear armed Japan, and don't think we should or would use our nuclear weapons to defend her. If Japan needs nuclear weapons to deter China, that's up to Japan.

36 posted on 05/16/2022 9:40:00 PM PDT by ETCM
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-36 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson