2000 Mules and Refutations of The Left (VANITY)

5/8/2022 | rlmorel

[rlmorel]

Probably many of us, including myself. But I guarantee that in November, these people will be wearing latex gloves, and they will have the location services on their phones completely disabled.

Now we see. Now we see why the Biden Administration and DHS wanted to sign contracts with private companies to purchase data from them.

They cannot legally gather this data themselves (for whatever that is worth) but...if they purchase it from someone who already has it...

[rlmorel]

I agree on many of those points, especially “they don’t have to refute it, just poo-poo it” because if they ignore it, censor it, don’t show it, ban people who talk about it...well, no need to refute it. Elected officials can truthfully say “My constituents aren’t contacting me about it, so I don’t see it as an issue.”

And the gravy train will roll on.

[CodeToad]

The video clearly shows the same mules going to many drop boxes and dropping in dozens of illegal ballots.

The left will not comment on that fact, so they try to pick apart the video by claiming people have the right to drop multiple ballots.

[After Hours]

Your comments gave me pause to wonder what role the post office may have played in this whole mess. What happened
to all of those ballots that were “returned”? There were
undoubtedly massive boxes of ballots laying around the PO facilities. Were they destroyed? Returned to county?

I wonder what happened to a semi truck full of “ballots” that was lost , I believe it was in Pennsylvania/New York. A young man called Jesse was a contract driver for the PO swore an affidavit that the load was mis directed by his bosses. As far as I know we were never told what happened to the missing load.

Given my personal experience with the post office this past year I would not be surprised at anything. For example Christmas cards with gift cards enclosed are “LOST” and not returned to sender.

My brother is retired from the post office and he speaks of working in a
highly partisan , union controlled , work environment.

Just wondering?

[Jamestown1630]

I don’t know. I would assume that the problem with receiving ballots for those who have moved is due to poor management of the voter registration rolls; and that those returned - like we returned the one we received - should have been returned, in turn, to the local board that sent them out in the first place.

We have always had excellent, routine service from USPS, though I know that many people complain about poor service. But when it comes to the voting stuff, I have no idea how the postal service actually handled it, or if any USPS employees played any part in the fraud. Hopefully, they didn’t. (And if the board of elections sent out the ballots, I don’t see how USPS could refuse to deliver them.)

[Jamestown1630]

They couldn’t have actual security camera footage of every drop box, because not all had cameras on them (and even some states where cameras were required didn’t always have them.)

But as you say, the ping data is certainly compelling. Who does that - and at 3AM? - and why?

[beef]

“They couldn’t have actual security camera footage of every drop box”

Yes, but they do have some, and somewhere in there must be the same creep going from box to box and the ping data to go along with it. A good video illustrating this would have your liberal friend flummoxed in about 3 minutes.

Another thing is that there seems to be some confusion about location data. There are at least 3 kinds:

- GPS app reporting - this would be the most accurate because it would come from the GPS receiver. It is also what they are able to purchase from data brokers. All those little apps you install are scooping this up and sending it in. You approved of this when you installed the app and agreed to the TOS without reading it.

- Hot Spot Detection - in the absence of GPS data, apps can scan for wireless hotspots. Google and others have mapped this out along with their street view data. In addition to taking pictures, those cars are also looking for your wireless router and make a note of the location. Apps that later detect your router can then find out where it is at.

- Cell tower triangulation - this is the least accurate. Wireless providers ping your device from multiple towers and calculate the location based on round trip time. I don’t think the providers just give this data up, but I might be wrong about that.

[rlmorel]

Nice to hear from you CodeToad, hope all is well.

You are correct-they will do that, and every other thing they can to pick it apart that undiscriminating people will fall for. That includes:

• Calling it a nefarious conspiracy theory (in the PolitiFact "article" it says: "It is conspiracist thinking," he said. "They are interpreting data that confirms their pre-existing conclusions. It’s a zombie claim; no matter how many times you kill it, it keeps coming back."

• Baldly stating there is no evidence

• Calling D'Souza a far-right commentator (trying to paint him as an extremist)

• Personal slander and insinuation (such as the PolitiFact "article" which states:
  • He published an interview with a former Klu Klux Klan member
  • He publicly outed members of a college's Gay Student Alliance
  • He was seen at a hotel with a woman who was not his wife
  • pleaded guilty to a felony campaign finance violation after he used straw donors to donate in excess of the personal limit to a friend who was running for a U.S. Senate seat in New York
  • He was pardoned by Trump
  • mocked survivors of the mass school shooting in Parkland, Florida.
  • He said people born into slavery were treated "pretty well."
  • He said he "never advanced a conspiracy theory in my life," but he has promoted several: questioning President Barack Obama’s birthplace; suggesting that billionaire philanthropist George Soros collaborated with the Nazis and bankrolls antifa; and tweeting that the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, might have been staged.
  • He defended the rioters with false claims that they were "political protesters" who had been unarmed, unfairly attacked by police and wrongly labeled as insurrectionists.
  • The "2,000 mules" trailer begins with an out of context clip of Joe Biden talking before the election about pulling together "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
  • The movie is based on research by Texas-based True the Vote, a national conservative organization founded in 2010 that has spread misinformation in the past.
  • D'Souza ignores that in many states, it is legal to drop off a ballot on behalf of another voter, which is especially helpful for voters with disabilities or the elderly. Critics of this practice call it "ballot harvesting," while election administrators typically use other terms such as "ballot collection."
  • Ballot drop boxes were used for about two decades without controversy before the 2020 election including in Republican-led Utah.
  • They state that here have been isolated cases of fraud associated with ballot harvesting, such as a North Carolina Republican in a 2018 congressional race.
  • They state that it was the "most secure election ever" without any evidence.
  • They state that such geospatial data is not precise enough to prove without uncertainty that a person submitted a ballot to a drop box, only that they came within a short distance of it
  • They state that there is no evidence to support widespread election fraud.

All that came from one PolitiFact "article", which as another poster observantly pointed out, was a fact check on the PREVIEW, not on the actual documentary! See, I just went to that one "article", and the same things are parroted everywhere else. How convenient...

[rlmorel]

"...I don’t want it to be true, so I fact-checked, which is the same as debunking it, which is the same as proving it wrong, which means Dinesh D’Souza is Hitler..."

LOL! That is a GREAT summary!

[CodeToad]

Thanks for that list. It shows they sling mud as much as they can and hope to confuse the issue.

I haven’t seen the movie as I will order the DDVD and make a nice donation, but from all accounts the movie was solid in its clear presentation of HOW the democraps stole the election.

[rlmorel]

Having decided to get involved in local election security in my town, I attended a statewide video conference talking about this, and when the subject of cleaning voter rolls came up, I was flabbergasted when the “process” was explained to all of us by someone who had experience.

The limitations and rules on cleaning up voter rolls are so byzantine, restrictive, cumbersome, and labor intensive that it deliberately enshrines corrupted and out of date voter rolls and ensures they will never get updated, ever. We can understand clearly why this is so now.

I was open-mouthed stunned and angry to hear about this. I was going to see if I could get involved, but they have made it (not only in my blue state, but apparently, in many others) impossible to clean the rolls and make them more accurate.

[beef]

“I gave them permission, huh?”

Yes, you did. When a tip calculator requires access to your texts, call log, browsing history, address book, microphone, and location, it should set off a few alarm bells.

[rlmorel]

I watched it online for free, but I am a stickler for making sure someone who put the effort into it gets repaid for their effort, so I have ordered a physical DVD as well.

[CodeToad]

Overall, what did you think? Did it present a clear HOW of the steal?

[Jamestown1630]

We used to get a voter registration card in the mail prior to every election. I think it’s been several years since we received one.

[After Hours]

Yes, they have out sourced much of the work to non profits and contractors that may be happy to work from an activist/biased agenda. They also work independently with very little oversight , audit trail and even less accountability.

I wonder what the quality control procedure is for handling returned ballots? Who receives, who processes, how are they returned, who are they returned to, how are they secured when returned, who makes the correction to the voter rolls and above all, who does the checking? It would take a LOT of ballots to keep 2000 mules supplied with product and this is one way ballots could easily be mis~directed.

Maybe some of these questions will be answered by True the Vote soon. They are shaking a lot of trees and there are bound to be a lot of names, faces and places revealed.

By the way, KUDOS to True the Vote. I will purchase my copy today.

[rlmorel]

I was quite impressed. Yes. They DID present clearly HOW the steal. And when they showed the replication of the patterns found in all battleground states, going on at the same time, you cannot deny that this was coordinated, IMO.

In my experience, when explaining something complex to people who don’t share your background or experience, it is important to provide information in the correct order and context.

(I often have to explain complex technical IT issues and solutions to people who may serve in a administrative or executive function, their time is often limited, and it is important that they understand the issue correctly)

The information has to be staged and delivered in the correct sequence and with enough information to support the following sets of information, and also in the correct context so they not only know some of the salient facts, but understand the context surrounding those facts.

I thought Dinesh D’Souza’s production of this documentary was very well done in that regard. I admired his logical presentation of the issue (election fraud) followed by the various data elements used (cell phone location data, geofencing, the video) followed by the layering and time synching the video evidence they obtained, how it affected the election (explaining how the numbers they estimate affected the outcome, and offering alternative outcomes by changing the criteria they used) and ending with where they got the ballots from.

I thought the last one was interesting (where they got the ballots from) because I had been following along engrossed in the other details about geofencing, time synching, etc. when I began to wonder where the illegal ballots came from. Seemingly, right at that point, they began to talk about where the ballots came from.

Like that old saying-when the pupil is ready, the teacher will appear.

Overall, I was very impressed. As I said, there were some things that didn’t grab me, like the staged interactions where someone would call with information, but at the same time, I understood why they did that. They were trying to weave a story.

I plan to watch it again with my brother on Thursday night...I think this video should be required viewing for all elected officials, and all employees in the FBI and DOJ.

[CodeToad]

Thanks for that opinion. I am optimistically hoping I will have the same opinion. I’ve been out of pocket for 9 months and not ready to jump back into things for a few more months. I, too, have to explain in simple progression complex topics to others. It’s an artform.

I am sure he left out some details as to not cloud the explanations. I’m a big data guy, among other things, responsible for exabyte level systems, so I heard they used some analytics I am familiar with and that grabbed my interest.

[rlmorel]

You are most welcome. Good luck with jumping back in...

[rlmorel]

I don’t think any “unused” ballots EVER get returned, and I can guarantee that if they were, the voter rolls are not updated to reflect that.

Furthermore, those ballots are ripe for being heisted. I wonder.

I wonder if they get the voter rolls for areas, and simply look for people who haven’t voted. Motor Voter. They HAVE to be registered when they get a license, but so many never vote. You can easily see who voted in elections.

I cannot understand why this is not something that can be managed, except to realize...there are entities that DO NOT WANT IT MANAGED AT ALL.

They want it to be unmanageable. That way it remains open as a vector for abuse.