Posted on 04/21/2022 8:39:19 AM PDT by Kevmo
Ukraine War Update: The Return of Lend Lease and What it Means, The Donbass and Moskva's Sinking
It's a video outlining what the Lend Lease Program WAS in World War 2, and what it's looking like NOW in the USA. One difference is that this bill calls out Russian Aggression very definitively, whereas even in WW2 the parties were not identified.
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Animarchy : The Military History & Anime Channel 47.3K subscribers Apologies for the lateness of this video, but the previous video took up the majority of work during the time this was announced. I have been writing a video for my naval history series and then I caught the plague of the times. So been busy.
But here it is. Lend Lease. The GAME CHANGER.
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Ginger Licious Ginger Licious 2 days ago The fact that American infantrymen have started calling the deployments to Eastern Europe the "pre-game lobby" is just so incredibly on-brand. I love it.
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LessCommonKnowledge LessCommonKnowledge 2 days ago I’m glad you mentioned MRE’s. One thing people often forget about the US’ support for Britain pre-1942, is that while small arms and vehicles were vital to the war effort, the things which truly kept Britain alive were grain and fuel. It was food shipments that Churchill and the British government were most worried about, and it was the continual flow of American and Canadian grain which kept Britain in the war.
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Will Rogers Will Rogers 3 days ago There’s no way to say this without it sounding awkward, but I feel I should have said it a long while ago: whatever disagreements I might have with you on politics or economics, I really do appreciate your honesty and your analysis. I think your commentary on the war in Ukraine is among the best to be found on YouTube. And as a history nerd and meme enjoyer, I love your Ships of Azur Lane series. You’re a good egg, and I wish you all the best in your YouTube career and your life in general. 👍
And in regards to this video, I’m very glad to hear about this new Lend Lease stuff. The “Arsenal of Democracy” approach is one that I find infinitely more appealing than either endless regime change wars or the “flirting with/propping up authoritarian regimes in exchange for trade deals and global clout” bullshit. Making sure the Ukrainians get everything they need to defend their nation against imperialist aggression is a step in the right direction for us, and a lot more in line with the America I believe in.
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J Woshy J Woshy 3 days ago You and perun have been my most valued sources of independent information. You guys are so good at pointing out very small, yet important details that I simply don't think about, and the info I do already know about is well stated and consistent with every reliable source I have encountered. Keep it up man
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Tarick Tarick 3 days ago I really hope that we in the "west" will maintain this supportive attitude. This breach of peace is a major problem and we should never allow us to fall into chamberlain appeasement due to inattention.
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Norbrookc Norbrookc 2 days ago One of the "back door" ways that the US supplied planes to Britain before the Lend-Lease agreement was funny. Apparently, the law at the time said things like that couldn't be flow or shipped directly to there. Since Canada was (as part of the British Empire) already officially at war and shared a lengthy border with the US, the solution was to build airports on the border, with runways that "just happened" to extend across the border. The manufacturers would fly their airplanes to the US airport, the Canadians would come over, tow them across to their side, and then fly them away.
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Mike Mendes Mike Mendes 3 days ago My first job in the Army was on the M1A1. You got most right, but the training piece would not be that time consuming. Our training was 4 months, but that was factoring in our basic training with it. I'm sure if we started training an Ukrainian Abrams BN at the start of the war, they would almost be ready to go by now.
As for the track, the 158 track does need pad replacement, but the 156 track doesn't. If its rubber was damaged, you'd have to replace that link. None of that maintenance is difficult.
I do agree about the fueling of the beast, it's a thirsty piece of equipment.
None of these hurdles should keep the equipment out of their hands.
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Defective Defective 3 days ago (edited) The spaciousness of the interior of US vehicles is often mentioned as an afterthought, but it is difficult to overstate how incredibly important crew comfort is. A cramped, hot, uncomfortable vehicle exhausts crews quickly, and when they may have to spend upwards of 14-16 hours a day inside and operating their vehicles, the comfortable crew remains combat effective vastly longer than the uncomfortable crew. This is a deliberate and understood design mechanism of US military equipment, and a critical flaw of Soviet vintage designs.
Further, the presence of the loader does represent a greater training and sustainment need, but the addition of 1 more crew member also spreads out duties more widely among the crew. A 3 man crew not only puts greater requirements upon each member, but the autoloader is an additional mechanism requiring maintenance, putting even greater stress on the fewer number of people, and even further degrading combat sustainment capacity.
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Igor Lukyan Igor Lukyan 3 days ago You and Perun are singlehandedly the BEST video essay interpreters regarding the war in Ukraine.
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Alexander Fenn Alexander Fenn 3 days ago Historically speaking I don't think people realise that the US gave something like $180 billion in today's money to the USSR during WW2 in lend-lease and that without that equipment the Soviet railway system and possibly even its armed forces might have collapsed. The image of the mighty, unstoppable Soviet power in the war does a disservice to how much all of the Allies needed one another to make it through the conflict.
Now we have Lend-Lease 2 Ukrainian Boogaloo and a country everyone said would collapse in days placing $200,000 ATGMs behind every blade of grass. We truly do live in a strange timeline...
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Sic Semper Fascismo #RussiaLeavesDeadBehind Sic Semper Fascismo #RussiaLeavesDeadBehind 2 days ago Their soldiers could learn these weapons systems fairly quickly. They already have military training and things are not that different that they cannot learn them quickly.
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Sharky_Splitz Sharky_Splitz 3 days ago Word on the street is that Finland and Sweden are interested in joining NATO. If it comes to pass Russia has done the exact opposite of what they wanted, it's pretty hilarious.
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Jakub Chalupa Jakub Chalupa 3 days ago (edited) In other words, as people are saying, Russia is about to find out why the US doesn't have universal healthcare
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Moses Zero Moses Zero 3 days ago One of the biggest unmentioned effects of this was is the obliteration of the Russian military industry. So many countries are sending their old USSR equipment to Ukraine to be destroyed while it is being replaced by western equipment. No USSR equipment means no spare parts and support, which means that the upkeep money will go to the USA instead. At this point I don't think Russia could have done a better job of strengthening NATO and weakening Russia if they tried.
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ADVENT Stun Lancer ADVENT Stun Lancer 3 days ago As said by somebody in regards to the US' Lend-Lease plan: "Russia about to find out why the US doesn't have universal healthcare"
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Mark Mark 2 days ago To emphasize, having an additional crewman like a loader enhances the operational tempo by having more crewman available for things like track replacement. The Abrams track is linked with track pads. Track pads are only necessary for traveling on roads. They last about 800-1,000 miles. You can drive without them in the field. You can also replace track segments or track shoes. You can also replace the whole track. The track pads are a ‘nice to have’. I think we should give the Ukrainians the M1A1 for future considerations. To retake lost territory. You are correct , the infrastructure is required but can be done. They would absolutely murder the Russian tanks. To date, no Abrams tanks have lost to any other enemy tank in battle. Remarkable…
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Francis de la Cruz Francis de la Cruz 2 days ago (edited) The most efficient use of US mitary budget ever, the equipment sent to Ukraine.
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Henry A Henry A 1 day ago A clarification: Aleksandr Dvornikov is not a "new" commander. He's been in charge of the Southern Military District (which includes Crimea) since 2016. He has also been responsible for Russian military support of DPR and LPR. Putting him in command of Russia's "special military operation" which is concentrated (for now) in the south and the Donbas is a logical choice. While Dvornikov was the first to command Russian forces in Syria, he only served one tour there - 10 months. There are other Russian generals who have served much longer in that conflict.
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Marten Kähr Marten Kähr 2 days ago One thing that was kinda glossed over here was the full extent of just how much time is working against Russian Logistics. I don't think Ukrainian victory is impossibly out of reach. The fact remains there are crucial spare parts and munitions currently going through the Russian logistics chain that are irreplaceable items coming from large, but finite stockpiles: you did actually refer to a video which mentions this, but Russia has been incapable of manufacturing its own tank gun barrels for years since before the war. The issue is even worse for their entire air force, and for any complex, guided munitions. And that's not even touching the financial aspect: Russia needs to pay for the war, and quite recently they outright said they will sell their oil to any friendly nations at *any rate*: they have the oil, but they are so short on "friendly countries" that are willing to buy it from them, that they've officially admitted that they don't have the power to dictate the price they sell at. Sooner or later, this lack of government income will be felt; it won't be the armed forces that feel the belt tighten first, of course, but eventually Putin will face the difficult choice of either taking a dangerous gamble to reach into the pockets of the Oligarchs in order to continue paying the Army... or taking the dangerous gamble of reducing the funding of the Army in the middle of a war.
Yes, Ukraine doesn't currently have the forces necessary to push through a counteroffensive as the situation currently stands. But what about when Russian air sorties stop not because they're out of fuel or because they're too afraid of Ukrainian Air Defences, but because they don't have replacement engines and all they can drop is dumb, unguided munitions? When Russian tanks are pulled back not because of direct battle damage, fear of Javelins and NLAWs or unsuitably muddy ground conditions, but because their worn barrels are bursting and no more are being sent by the stockpiles of their HQ? When all that's left is conscripted infantrymen with kalashnikovs and RPG-7s, who are glad if they rations at all, instead of having to scavange? When these troops are led by officers and NCOs who are uncertain of whether or not they have been paid that month, or possibly worried if their back pay will ever reach their families should they perish? Or if Putin receives a 9mm retirement by his court of oligarchs and it becomes unclear whose vision of Russia they are even fighting for anymore? As long as Western nations harden their resolve and keep supporting Ukraine in spite of slight economic inconvenience to themselves and in spite of ultimately empty Russian threats, such a dismal state of affairs is more or less inevitable for the Russian forces. Barring something crazy, like China opening its own unprecedented (and likely economically suicidal, if they were to face the full weight of Western sanctions alongside Russia) Lend-Lease program for the Russians, it's a question of how long it will take until the Russian forces decline below the limit of being capable or resisting an organised Ukrainian counteroffensive to retake Donbass and Crimea, and a question of whether or not Western resolve to support Ukraine holds out long enough to reach that point, not a question of whether or not that point can be reached at all.
Of course, there's also the question of what Russian forces might achieve this coming summer. But it's doubtful they will be able to take Kyiv or otherwise crush the Ukrainians militarily faster than the West can resupply them, unless the Ukrainians pick up the ball of idiotic overconfidence that Russia is in the process of dropping and try something monumentally stupid. And if Western resolve and Ukrainian resolve both hold out that period... then the Russian gains become irrelevant and will be pushed back once Russia enters the terminal stage of that aforementioned supply crisis. I'm of the opinion that this is the only way that can hope to lead for a better world. Allowing Russia to impose demands on Ukraine after this war, or even settle for Status Quo Ante Bellum, will just be a moment in history that rhymes with the "Peace In our Time" of Chamberlain's Munich Agreement, where the West shot itself in the foot with either bleeding-heart compassion for the innocent victims (who simply end up in the violent clutches of the Russians anyway, except out of sight behind a new iron curtain) or worse: with the economic-political pragmatism of Europe desiring to regaining access to Russian oil and gas.
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Tepes Voda Tepes Voda 2 days ago (edited) You're analisys was spon on. Hats off. Here în Romania we are looking over the fence. Praising the Lord and passing the ammunition.
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EmisoraRadioPatio EmisoraRadioPatio 1 day ago "New reserves." Some new reserves. Most of the Russian units sent to fight in Donbas are from the Kiev front, and they haven't had the time necessary to reorganize and recover.
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mjl1966y mjl1966y 2 days ago I think your over-optimistic about Russia's ability to overcome its systemic issues. They're systemic. Everything from battle organization (Battalions without brigade echelon C2) to broken logistics and maintenance and corruption. None of this gets fixed quickly. Certainly not by summer. Their might be some marginal ad hoc improvements, but you can't redesign your military in a matter of weeks and months. Perun points this out handily. And while Ukraine is being resupplied by the largest and most effective logistics chain in human history, Russia simply cannot replace the tanks, IFVs, artillery and other heavy vehicles they've lost in a short period of time. It will take them a year or longer. They can pull about 3000 tanks out of storage. Old tanks. Obsolete tanks. Javelin fodder, if you will. And I say this: I don't think they can build the army needed to do it. Already, many Russian soldiers are resigning. Reinforcements will not be easy to come by when soldiers returning from the fight refuse to go back and start explaining why. Propaganda aside, Russia doesn't have the heart for this fight. And here's the thing: What happens when Ukraine gets to the border? Moscow is a three hour drive from Kharkiv. The smart thing for Russia is to stop this thing before they get any further behind. They tried a smash and grab and it turns out the cashier has a gun. Go home. While you can.
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Chris Tiller Chris Tiller 2 days ago My mother is taking dance lessons from a Ukrainian. Every victory his country experiences is a victory for him. He's still got family there and each day he's prays he doesn't wake up to the news. Slava Ukraine. You and Perun keep up the work on keeping this as independent as possible.
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Kane Kane 3 days ago If you want to understand Putins respect for the lives of his own people, just remember that former FSB agent who got assasinated in the UK with polonium for spilling the beans about how Putin ordered the FSB to blow up several residential highrizes in the suburbs of Moscow and blamed it on Chechnian terrorists so that he could start the second Chechnian war. A man who lived in one of the buildings spotted etchnically russian men behaving suspiciously around the building he lived in, so he called the police, who found and disarmed a bomb in the basement. Over two hundred Russian civilians died during that false flag operation. If you want a Russian soldiers perspective on how Putin waged war in Chechnia read One Soldier's War by Arkady Babchenko, where you get an inside view of how Russia treats its soldiers. And you will also find detailed descriptions of the corruption in their army that has led to its ineffectiveness today. The author was a soldier in both wars and has been living in exile in Ukraine for a few years. If you want detailed info about Putins corruption I recommend Anna Politkovskaja's Putins Russia, she was murdered on Putins birthday by a fanatic because Putins propaganda had painted her as a traitor and lover of Chechnian terrorists, partly because she started unraveling the above mentioned false flag operation in her articles. One of the things people say about the war in Ukraine is that apparently Putin has a legitimate fear that if Ukraine joins NATO, that NATO wold plant nuclear missiles in Ukraine. That is obvious BS because other former memberstates of the USSR, like the baltic states, have joined NATO 18 years ago and that hasn't happened. Latvia is about as close to Moscow as Ukraine and Estonia is in spitting distance of st Petersburg. Before the invasion of Ukraine, NATO had 1000 troops stationed in the three baltic states combined. How is that a threat against Russia? There is no legitimate fear of NATO invading Russia. That is just age old Soviet propaganda fearmongering that Putin uses as a pretext to invade sovereign Ukraine. Furthermore NATO does not exist to destroy Russia, nore does it actively expand to surround Russia. As can be plainly seen right now, Eastern European countries have a legitimate fear of being invaded by Russia, and have sought safety, as sovereign nations, by becoming members of NATO. Notice how for example Kazakstan is not sending troops to aid Russia, they know that Putin has shown his hand of Russian imperislism. Has Belarus sent in its troops to aid Putin? How come Belarus does not seem to share Putins fear of NATO? They know that Putin is the real threat, that they might be next. Russia has more nuklear weapons than the USA. NATO would never risk attacking Russia. NATO members have to much to lose. This is why the situation is so dire, because Putin has less to lose every day. Nazies: Of coarse there are nazies in Ukraine, but the president is jewish. Tell me of one European country where there are no nazies. Found this on the page on Neo-nazism on Wikipedia: "However, members of far-right groups played a greater role on the pro-Russian side of the conflict than on the Ukrainian side, especially at the beginning.[85] Leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic are closely linked to the neo-Nazi party Russian National Unity (RNU) led by Alexander Barkashov, which recruits fighters.[85][86][87] A member of RNU, Pavel Gubarev, was the first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic.[85][88] In particular, RNU is linked to the Russian Orthodox Army, a separatist group in Donbas, and Barkashov is said to have given instructions to its commander Dmitry Boytsov according to a published audio recording.[87] Volunteers from several other Russian far-right groups have joined the separatist militias, including members of the Eurasian Youth Union, the Russian Imperial Movement, and the banned Slavic Union and Movement Against Illegal Immigration.[87] Other neo-Nazi groups fighting as part of the Donetsk People's Republic include the 'Svarozhich', 'Rusich' and 'Ratibor' battalions, which have Slavic swastikas on their badges.[85]" I remember reading an article a decade ago, claiming that half of the worlds Neo-Nazies are in Russia. An other page on Wikipedia about nazi organizations around the world says that one neonazi organization in Russia claims to have 150000 members around the country. There were reports in Swedish press a few years ago of Swedish nazies going to military style combat training camps in Russia organized by Russian Nazies, because nazies are not allowed in the Swedish military. Some of these Nazies have been prosecuted in Sweden for doing that. I can recommend the Lex Friedman Podcast #63 and #248 that delve in to Russian autocratic history and Putin. Lex is Russian. Ukraine left the USSR because 92% of its population voted to leave. Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal in 1994 in exchange for Russia promising to respect its borders for ever.
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LessCommonKnowledge LessCommonKnowledge 3 days ago The pre game lobby. 😂 Soldiers humour is infinitely clever and amusing.
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Øystein A. Øystein A. 3 days ago "The pre-game lobby". Oh that hurts on so many levels, as a European. It is however, completely true ;D
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Jason Tram Jason Tram 2 days ago It was passed only in the Senate but it seems like it is purposely being held up in the House? I like the video and learned a lot but until it’s actually passed into law, this might all end up being all hype especially considering how often Congress does this sort of BS of not passing a law that completely makes sense in light of the current situation.
The Budapest Agreement was an “accession” to a signed international United Nations, ratified nuclear nonproliferation treaty. The Ukes honored it and gave up those nukes. The Rukes violated it twice by invading twice, by happenstance it was when there were weak-kneed democrap presidents in office whom Vlad knew would not do anything about an invasion. And the USA has been looking for all kinds of ways to abrogate our responsibility in this treaty/agreement even though it points to disaster down the road for nuclear nonproliferation.
So when I say give back the Ukes their nukes, it is an acknowledgement that nukes are sovereignty. They gave up some nukes in exchange for “assurances” for borders and sovereignty. Since they are in an existential war, who are we to scold them for building nukes since that is what we did when we were in our existential war, and we are the ones who have betrayed them.
If the Ukes develop and deploy a suitcase nuke on a Russian city, it is because they got pushed into an existential corner. What we really should be doing is putting CONVENTIONAL forces into this fight in a way that genuinely “assures” borders and sovereignty for a country that did the right thing. After all, the Russian bear has been shown to be rather toothless compared to what most of us thought they would be in this fight, so the US would kick some serious @$$.
And if we send in American boots on the ground, we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
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I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
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“If the Ukes develop and deploy a suitcase nuke on a Russian city, it is because they got pushed into an existential corner.”
A suitcase nuke is at best a dirty bomb for a country with the technological capabilities of Ukraine. I doubt that Russia at this point possesses the requisite layers of technologies required to develop and produce such a device. They may have in the past but I doubt that they can do it now.
These devices are also exponentially more expensive to produce than a much heavier nuclear device.
In a nutshell it’s easier to achieve critical mass with a larger mass.
Right now I expect only two countries in the world could produce reliable miniaturized nukes: The USA and Japan.
Maybe Taiwan could pull it off too. And that’s a distant maybe.
In a nutshell it’s easier to achieve critical mass with a larger mass.
***True enough. One could build essentially a nuke truck bomb. And the Ukes have some very radioactive soil at Chernobyl they could just pile into some of their missiles & fire at Russian ammo dumps.
Did you see the size of the first 2 nukes? They easily fit into the bomb bay doors of the B29, could be carried on trucks. It would be a relatively simple matter to get a few truck bombs inside the Russian borders from Ukraine.
Russia does not believe in self total destruction.
The very notion of introducing nukes is off the table. Why nuke Ukraine, enrage the world and then die a quick and horrible death.
Nukes ain’t gonna happen i
Putin is nuke rattling same as Kim Jung Un.
Um, Israel wants to have a word with you!
Regards,
“Um, Israel wants to have a word with you!”
Israel lacks a couple resources necessary for the production of these bad boys. They might be getting US assistance but I’m not seeing any evidence that they can produce these entirely within Israel.
Russia does not believe in self total destruction. The very notion of introducing nukes is off the table.
***Vlad put it on the table.
Why nuke Ukraine, enrage the world and then die a quick and horrible death.
***What I was talkin’ about was the UKES developing suitcase nukes, not the Rukes.
Nukes ain’t gonna happen i
***They already did. And the Ukes did the right thing in getting rid of them. They were rewarded for that by getting invaded twice by Russia and betrayed by the US.
Putin is nuke rattling same as Kim Jung Un.
***Thing is, we KNOW Putin has nukes. We SUSPECT the Norks have nukes. Putin is just playing the intimidation card.
“It would be a relatively simple matter to get a few truck bombs inside the Russian borders from Ukraine.”
I agree. The Russians really haven’t changed their overall security posture in the past eighty years. They mostly concentrate their attention on who’s leaving Russia and they don’t pay so much attention to who’s coming in.
It’s a vulnerability that could stand to be exploited.
Israel produces tactical nukes / battlefield nukes. Would briefcase-size nukes be that more difficult?!
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“Would briefcase-size nukes be that more difficult?”
Yes. They are.
That’s why most nukes even today have fission packages that weigh quite a bit. It’s easier and cheaper to produce them and to expect them to work.
As you get smaller and smaller the refining process for the fission package becomes ever more complex. As in you need a whole different production facility and a whole different set of protocols to make these things.
The most economical of these weapons still has a fission package of more than 23 pounds with the whole device weighing in at 300 pounds or more. It’s cheaper to just produce bigger devices.
In Lend Lease we got stuff in return. Basing rights etc. We get nothing from Ukraine except and outstretched palm, bribing half of DC, sex trafficking, and undermining Trump.
That is why I wrote in the first post: we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
It’s hard to find a worse idea than giving nazi dominated, totally corrupt, Eastern Euro emotion driven, historic trauma nurturing Ukraine, nuclear weapons.
Those idiots would use it. I don’t really care if they get nuked, but they will drag us in.
That’s because you’re working backwards in your thinking, the a priori fallacy. As usual from your side, classic logical fallacies.
Your backwards thinking goes like this: ya think we should stay out of everything; these guys want us to go in and help; let’s look who’s who on which side of things; those guys are for it so you’re against it; those guys call these other guys NAZIs so that’s what you’re going with.
Backwards thinking.
BTW, they already HAD nuke weapons and GAVE THEM UP per the Budapest Agreement that your side denigrates so willingly. It was a good idea to denuke them, you obviously agree. But we have betrayed them over this agreement and the Russians violated the agreement because they want those oil & gas reserves.
If they had never given up those nukes they never woulda been invaded.
Hence it behooves us to take on this thing in a CONVENTIONAL manner so that we don’t push the Ukes into a nuke corner.
“Did you see the size of the first 2 nukes? They easily fit into the bomb bay doors of the B29,”
No, the doors were heavily modified and the bomb hung out of the bottom. They would only fit unmodified into a Lancaster, but we nixed that idea for political reasons. It was gonna be an all American show.
But they could fit on a truck so the Uke retards could settle their never-ending grievances with an atomic truck bomb. And then 118 years from now, future Ukes and Russians can fight over 2022. Because they are emotion driven morons always carefully roasting each chestnut of past grievances. And now we are dragged in.
And now we are dragged in.
***We were dragged in over Nukes way back in 1994. All 3 nations signed the agreement. If the Ukes had kept their nukes they never woulda been invaded twice. It was the right thing to cooperate with the nonproliferation of nukes in 1994, so it’s the right thing to uphold that agreement NOW.
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