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To: caww
Zelensky needs to get off his high horse and admit he's not winning anything holding out - in fact he's costing his citizens everything - life and home and communities because of his ridiculous assumption he's somehow winning something.

I remember reading about 56 men pledging their lives, honor and fortunes in the impossible hope of winning something

16 posted on 04/01/2022 6:31:30 AM PDT by FatherofFive (We support Trump. Not the GOP)
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To: FatherofFive
He certainly raised the expectations of the men there - but then that was his purpose after banning many of them from leaving the country. There were some very easily read signs from the get go this was a really bad idea - but then our Democratic leadership is always moving forward with bad ideas at the cost to others - and we were behind this, along with Nato using Ukraines men to fight against Russia.

One of the signs was also they were busing all the woman and children out of the country with an estimated 6 milion would leave. I think it's at 4 currently. And it's pretty stunning on how all the nation leaders simply opened theiir doors and just let all these people in....as if they had already pre-determined they would.

18 posted on 04/01/2022 6:43:36 AM PDT by caww ( )
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To: FatherofFive; All

Ukraine is definitely the underdog...

Whether for or against Ukraine, there are a FEW POINTS TO CONSIDER —

— Ukraine is so much smaller than the large 9 nation Russian Federation subordinate CIS and its Formal Russian/Chinese axis, in a life and death DEFENSIVE struggle, where millions could potentially be wiped out, it is simply foolish for anyone to believe Zelensky would make decisions which would reduce foreign support, to a degree EVEN FROM THOSE HE AMD MANY UKRAINIAN’S WOULD DISAGREE

— Long before Putin attacked Ukraine I have spent much time across Ukraine over the years, and have experienced at different levels of society, Ukraine truly wasn’t hot on the EU in general, with significant disagreement over leftist EU policies on social, economic, and governing related issues. However, simultaneously, Ukraine repeatedly bent over backwards for both US and EU (Western) support, as they feared resubordination to the Moscow and subordinate CIS that much more.

— There is a spectrum, but overall Ukraine is more conservative on many issues, and more Western friendly than Russia, or Russia’s subordinate and predominantly Muslim CIS.

— The same leftist Pentagon JC’s who really stripped Trump of his control over the Pentagon (treason), and who defied Trump publically (before and after 3 NOV 2020), and helped set up Trump supporters on Jan 6, 2021, are on circulated record as believing and parroting Putin’s 72 hour to one week takeover of Ukraine.

— If Zelensky became aware of actual corruption and Russian collusion, or of actions which hurt Ukraine’s support, then he did the right thing.

— Not dissimilar to Trump, regardless of his past, Zelensky has stood on the side of Trump. Obviously, while facing national death, Ukraine is seeking support from any and all western leaders, including the US with its fraudulent and corrupt president.

— Recent history demonstrated a significant fight involving Trump and Zelensky, against German Chancellor Merkel (East German KGB recruited*), and her predecessor - German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder (Chairman and Putin selected board member of Russian majority state owned energy goliaths Rosneft and Gazprom, and Chairman of Russian Nord Stream 2).

— It is clear Zelensky was only ever in a position to fight with Germany, having been overwhelmingly elected in 2019 by roughly 70% of the UA vote, due to Trump SoS Mike Pompeo, and Rudy Giuliani severely disrupting massive corruption/destabilization/economic rape efforts of the DNC, Clinton Foundation, and Soros — and Russian/Ukrainian Kremlin oligarch tag team involved in laundering, racketeering, and thuggery within Ukraine.

— Zelensky didn’t just fight with Germany over Nord Stream 2, even while threatened Zelensky publically stood with Trump against DNC congressional efforts to carry out a THIRD coup’d’etat effort over Trump trying to end the massive DNC corruption in Ukraine —

Zelensky and Merkel lock horns over Nord stream 2

https://youtu.be/9bh4P-MNjOI

Merkel Struggles to Reassure Ukraine on Nord Stream 2

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/08/22/merkel-struggles-to-reassure-ukraine-on-nord-stream-2-a74864

— AND THIS WAR IS BERY MUCH ABOIT CONTROLLING ENERGY FLOW TO EUROPE


30 posted on 04/01/2022 8:07:54 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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