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Opposition To Starting WWIII Doesn’t Make You Pro-Putin, It Just Means You’re Sane
The Federalist ^ | MARCH 26, 2022 | ELLE REYNOLDS

Posted on 03/26/2022 8:36:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: Gaffer
California has as many people as Ukraine. I don’t ever ONCE recall the Ukraine offering to send troops, fight for, enact sanctions against the lower Americas or ANYTHING that could help stop the invasion of our southern borders.

That is an utterly ridiculous argument. We weren't willing to order our own regular military to border, so the idea of some foreign country sending their military into the U.S. to act as border guards is completely absurd. We obviously never asked or even suggested that happen, and if any nation would have offered, it would have been rejected out of hand.

The Ukrainians did, however, send troops to Afghanistan when we asked.

41 posted on 03/26/2022 10:13:54 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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To: Reaganez

With a few name changes that’s the very same argument Putin is making to Russia.

Maybe we should try a new approach this time.


42 posted on 03/26/2022 10:20:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Not nonsense and you’re just pissed because you can’t counter cogently, but have to go half a world away to put some pitiful point forth.

No difference. We have Posse Comitatus that precludes the military from being used, but that doesn’t (didn’t stop) Ukraine from acting in the same kind of way Xiden is - sanctions, other non-military enforcement (fiscal, etc.).

As for “We obviously never asked or even suggested that happen, and if any nation would have offered, it would have been rejected out of hand,” there’s your trouble. Zelensky has been to everybody and his brother trying to get his no-fly zone: from NATO, from Germany, from EU, from the Canadian Parliament, from the US Congress to ANYBODY. And we do the same thing Ukraine could have done for us here in a non-combatant manner.....


43 posted on 03/26/2022 10:22:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Reaganez
"He won’t stop until the US and NATO push back."

You're so good at mind-reading I find myself wondering if you're a Democrat(?)

44 posted on 03/26/2022 10:25:32 AM PDT by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Let me put it this way. I will never accept a war with Russia over Ukraine just so Russia-Haters, war-mongers, the MIC and Democrats can pump up their poll numbers before the mid-term elections. Not my dog, not my hunt and damned sure not any of my children or grandchildren at life’s risk for it, period


45 posted on 03/26/2022 10:26:48 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
While there are some people who actually do want to commit U.S. troops, I think the majority of those supporting Ukraine want to limit that support to material and economic sanctions. So they don't endorse sending yours or anyone else's grandkids to go die in Ukraine.

I also don't like the idea of doing some internal political calculus on which party benefits domestically because the country is supporting Ukraine. I think we should decide what the right thing is to do on its own merits, and let the political chips fall where they may.

Personally, I don't think it will help Democrats in the slightest anyway, except in those rare cases where there may be a Republican opposed to providing any assistance to Ukraine at all. In that case, it's not support for Ukraine that is helping Democrats but actually the opposite.

46 posted on 03/26/2022 10:30:45 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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To: Gaffer
What the holy hell are you talking about? You made some ridiculous point about "Ukraine didn't send troops to our southern border, so we shouldn't give them any aid against Russia", when the two situations have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

Fact is, the Ukrainian people as a whole have the domestic/political will to fight the Russians bitterly, and that's why they're fighting. We don't/didn't have the same for our own southern border, so we didn't.

But that's not the fault of the Ukrainians. That's our fault. We were perfectly capable as a nation of sealing that border if we wished. We just lacked the will.

47 posted on 03/26/2022 10:33:11 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Personally, I don't think it will help Democrats in the slightest anyway, except in those rare cases where there may be a Republican opposed to providing any assistance to Ukraine at all. In that case, it's not support for Ukraine that is helping Democrats but actually the opposite.

I guess you've forgotten about the run up to this and Biden's team almost literally goading Russia into attacking before his delayed SOTU address....

48 posted on 03/26/2022 10:35:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Seems to me this author has an agenda, and is just throwing crappy arguments against the wall to see if any stick.


The agenda is to be reflexively anti Brandon on everything. While understandable we should be able to multi task issues and not allow Brandon’s weakness to infect us on the right, too.


49 posted on 03/26/2022 10:45:00 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90
The agenda is to be reflexively anti Brandon on everything.

Agenda? I've heard demrats say the same thing you just said. Well, minus the Brandon label. Just like the rats, you say it like its a bad thing. Your bubble is off plumb.

50 posted on 03/26/2022 11:02:30 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!!)
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To: Colo9250
Next, with the scam of the Chinese/Fauci flu dying down and the Demoncrats chances of staying in power along with it they are trying their desperate best to start a war with Putin so they can declare a national emergency and cancel the next election.

The mid-term and general elections of 1942 and 1944 took place as scheduled. Somehow, despite war raging in both Europe and the Pacific, Americans managed to get toothier polling places and vote on Election Day. No early voting, no mail-in voting, very little absentee voting. Absent an attack on our soil, I don't see what would constitute an emergency declaration of that scope (if, indeed, that is even possible at the federal level). Of course, the Democrats will try some manipulative move, but I don't thank that one will work.

51 posted on 03/26/2022 11:28:52 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why should we spill our children’s blood in a war without end just so arms merchants can put more billions of our money in their pockets?

I say this a former Marine who would fight to the death to protect my country. But I am sick of Politicians who gleefully send our kids off to fight and die, all the while tying their hands behind their back.

Think of all the wars we have fought in thousands of battles. Most were started by Democrats and since WWII, they have made sure we don’t win any wars. I, for one, don’t want any of my grandchildren fighting - and dying - in a war they cannot win.

Send the politicians kids first.


52 posted on 03/26/2022 11:52:45 AM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey

But, we are no sending troops to Ukraine. That has been made abundantly clear.


53 posted on 03/26/2022 11:55:52 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: alloysteel
Vladimir Putin is in plenty of trouble on his own turf, and if not out of power within the year, will certainly be presiding over a much diminished nation. The Ukrainians have more than demonstrated they can carve big holes in the “blitzkrieg” army sent in by Putin, and its command structure has been put under great stress.

I would be very cautious about making any predictions about the course of this war. I would suggest both sides take a look at the outlines of the Boer War (actually at least two wars). The British Empire entered for what they thought were good reasons (including the mistreatment of black Africans by the Boers). The German Empire provided substantial aid to the Boers. The end result was the Boers still lost, the tactics and strategies the British employed to win the war hurt their reputation, and the German aid contributed to the souring of relations between Germany and Great Britain.

54 posted on 03/26/2022 12:10:14 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Fact is you’re a war monger on the side of leftists and neocons.


55 posted on 03/26/2022 1:04:53 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rbmillerjr

And you believe Brandon? He’s a politician. His lips are moving. He’s lying.


56 posted on 03/26/2022 1:12:18 PM PDT by NTHockey (My rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
What "prolonged conflict?"

The Ukraine war has been going on since 2014 when the US/NATO/Soros staged a proxy coup to depose a democratically elected President and install their own puppet so their criminal enterprises could continue unimpeded. They have been shelling the Russian-peaking portions of Ukraine ever since, killing thousands.

Now go eat your pudding and get ready for bed.

57 posted on 03/26/2022 1:15:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Depopulate the depopulationists. --FJB)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sorry bub, but referring to the Donbass war in the context of preventing the U.S. from dealing with China moving forward is a non-starter.

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't claim both that Ukraine has already been defeated, and all that's left is a bit of mopping up, while simultaneously claiming that we're going to be stuck in a prolonged war with Russia over Ukraine. Either it's over, or it isn't.

58 posted on 03/26/2022 1:31:55 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I never claimed any of that stuff you shameless liar.

You have beclowned yourself.


59 posted on 03/26/2022 1:42:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Depopulate the depopulationists. --FJB)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The author who wrote the article said that, you moron. That’s why I quoted her directly and criticized her logic. You pulling my comment out of that context is your problem, not mine.


60 posted on 03/26/2022 2:04:15 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .</I><p>)
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