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Kiev is surrounded but in Kharkiv they won. My anxiety is through the roof. I need the real story.
1 posted on 02/27/2022 2:20:20 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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Who cares? 200k Russian troops should have rolled over Ukraine and here they are still dicking around.


2 posted on 02/27/2022 2:26:44 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (GoFundMe is a Democrat Scam)
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The Russians will likely win as they did in Grozny, with the block-by-block destruction of the city with artillery. The way this kind of thing works is they do a probe in force, note where incoming fire is coming from and demolish those areas with artillery. They are using MLRS strikes (Grads), not smart bombs to accomplish this, because smart weapons are expensive, whereas dumb bombs, whether Grad rockets or artillery shells, are cheap.


3 posted on 02/27/2022 2:26:59 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Most Ukranian claims of success have proven to be total lies.


4 posted on 02/27/2022 2:27:13 PM PST by Godebert
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My anxiety is through the roof. I need the real story.

You'll probably have to wait a week or so. The bullshYt flying around is a mile deep ... from all sides ...
5 posted on 02/27/2022 2:29:34 PM PST by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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Gov. Oleh Synyehubov crowed in a triumphant Facebook post.

Must be true then.

7 posted on 02/27/2022 2:29:49 PM PST by McGruff (A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World Before the Truth Puts On its Shoes.)
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Why are you anxious?


8 posted on 02/27/2022 2:32:10 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I declare myself Lord Humungus Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock n Roll-a...


11 posted on 02/27/2022 2:33:17 PM PST by EEGator
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I have seen a few videos of what is going on today. This report is doubtful. The Russians are throwing some serious ordnance around now.


12 posted on 02/27/2022 2:35:21 PM PST by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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Message to Russian troops from Kyiv’s Defenders.

Great video from the defenders of Kiev/Kyiv. They know they’re surrounded and they’re not afraid.

Video at Link (Language Warning)

https://twitter.com/EnglishUkraine/status/1497986717470580744


13 posted on 02/27/2022 2:37:50 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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The Germans have done a head-spinning U-turn. The analogy would be to the Pope suddenly declaring that he's really a devout Hindu (although that wouldn't surprise me). I suspect the appearance of 100,000 demonstrators in Berlin forced the chancellor's hand.

Up until now, the US was pushing the reluctant EU. Now the EU and Germany are out in front. The sanctions WILL hurt Russia, a lot, especially the rich. The weapons that the EU is paying for and sending will hurt Russia. Putin is like Japan at Pearl Harbor – he has awakened the sleeping eagle (albeit the German one) and it wasn’t a good idea to do so.

When the German chancellor, who has acted like Putin’s personal valet throughout suddenly does a U-turn - that’s when you sit up and take notice. When the Green weenies in Germany start talking about reviving coal, you know these people have seen the elephant, and are acting accordingly.

German chancellor Scholz in a fairly long formal speech in parliament an hour ago has announced five steps that the German government is taking:

  1. Support Ukraine with weapon deliveries from Germany and Allies as an answer to Putin's aggression
  2. Deter Putin from further aggression through sanctions and embargos, both against the country, its private business and "responsible individuals".
  3. continue to increase deployed Bundeswehr units to support Eastern-European NATO allies.
    1. Maintain Battlegroup in Lithuania (being expanded with reserve forces).
    2. Contribute to second Battlegroup in Slovakia being built up (Germany will also take command of this second Battlegroup).
    3. Continue current adhoc-formed Air Policing deployment in Romania (training deployment with Italy was transformed to that)
    4. Continue current adhoc deployment of German Navy ships in patrols in Baltic Sea and Mediterranean.
    5. Ready air defence forces for deployment on NATO eastern borders if required.
  4. Invest to increase Bundeswehr capabilities:
    1. Establish an immediate 100 billion Euro budget for 2022 to increase Bundeswehr capabilities.
    2. Permanently raise defence budget above 2% GDP.
    3. Prioritize projects with European partners, in particular France for new MBTs, future Eurofighter replacement and just signed Eurodrone project. Replace Tornado with SEAD-enabled Eurofighters and consider F-35 for nuclear delivery (and yes, he named the thing usually not named). Procure Heron UCAV from Israel.
    4. Increase hybrid warfare and cyber resilience.
    5. (Seek increased energy independence from Russia by expanding coal and gas reserves and building two LNG terminals.)
  5. (didn't quite catch that - lots of bla about "ceasing naive exterior politics" of recent years and about alliances and "defending a peaceful Europe")

There was a lot of serious pathos and patriotistic platitudes throughout the speech, going as far as "we shall defend every square meter of NATO" and a "do not ask what you can get out of Brussels for your own country, but ask what is the best decision for The Union". The speech was accentuated by standing applause from most of the plenum (except the right-extremist pro-Putin AfD faction).


17 posted on 02/27/2022 2:44:02 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Kiev is surrounded but in Kharkiv they won. My anxiety is through the roof. I need the real story.

The Mayor of Kiev already announced that the "surrounded" quote was bogus and not true. I would take this story, just like the "surrounded" story with a huge grain of salt. Both sides are furiously spinning tales of victory and defeat.

Russia can obviously prevail in this war if they press their military advantages. The question is how far Putin will go and what political price is he willing to pay.

18 posted on 02/27/2022 2:45:39 PM PST by ETCM
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Don’t count on the Daily Mail or the alphabet news to give you truth.

Putin going to end the horseshit instigated by Obama, Soros and Biden.

It’s all propaganda.


23 posted on 02/27/2022 2:53:07 PM PST by Chuck N
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Fake war


27 posted on 02/27/2022 2:58:02 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Cv19 vaccines are Phase 2 of the CCP bioweapon)
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30 posted on 02/27/2022 3:06:23 PM PST by Enlightened1
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So there is this fluff over Ukraine...Russia invades and seems to get slowed down...Europe sends stuff to Ukraine> Germany and Europe seems to start to “wake up”. Meanwhile Putin puts his nuke forces on max alert while raving to his supporters, not against Ukraine but the USA.(keeping in mind Biden and some Dems are on record as saying that the USA could absorb a few nuclear hits without necessarily responding back in kind).

Russia launches at us and hits us in a few key areas but Biden inexplicably will not launch back stating in sperches that we much take a few sacrifices so that the world is not engulfed in flames. The USA collapses...the world leaders have their reset and the whole Ukraine Russia thing goes away with Europe and Russia the preminent world powers...opening the way for total isolation of Israel.

I fear the Ukraine thing may be a feint by Russia and the EU to bloody our nose taking a gamble that the USA will not respond back in kind! We may be being played and those who we called friends are really not!


33 posted on 02/27/2022 3:08:27 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Democrats and Biden...We are sore...We don't want no Ukraine war...no Blood for Burisma!)
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There is cellphone video of some of these Russian soldiers and they are being asked things like what did your officers tell you about what is going on?

The soldiers said they were told this was just part of a training exercise and then suddenly they discovered they were participating in some sort of attack

One guy was a reservist said he was called up just two weeks ago

This does comport at least with the report I’ve seen elsewhere that soldiers’ cellphones were confiscated two days before the order to invade

May be there is a strategy to try to intimidate Ukraine armed forces just by the sheer numbers of Russian troops thrown in their direction, even if some of these units are not being counted on to do much


35 posted on 02/27/2022 3:10:44 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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My people…

Standing tall.

Slava, Ukraine… Slava heroiam, Ukraine…


36 posted on 02/27/2022 3:12:30 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.She was, indeed, a hottie… Rest in peace, Joanne.)
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Come on man.

Russia outnumbers them 10 to 1 in a million different categories.

If something didn’t fall today, it will tomorrow or the next day.

Hope is one thing.

Being naive is another.

And I KNOW you are not naive.

It’s like those who rooted for Iraq to beat the US.

It ended up being a travesty in the long run...but the winner of the initial war was never in doubt.


37 posted on 02/27/2022 3:13:16 PM PST by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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In the fwiw department General Milley of the JCOS said Kyev and Ukraine would fall in 72 hours.

Well, not so much.

ESAD Milley.

5.56mm


41 posted on 02/27/2022 3:15:46 PM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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Putin now has sent into Ukraine two-thirds of the forces he had assembled on the border

Also, Lukashenko ordered Belarus army units into Ukraine to join the assault on Kyiv

I think Putin is pushing all his chips to the center of the table now (the ruble is crashing, bank runs in Russia, more stinger and anti-tank weapons coming in, growing dissent at home)

Some are saying well, maybe the final one-third are Putin’s finest troops, they will be held for later

I doubt it, one-third of the army is conscripts. I think these are mostly troops not suitable to be effectively sent in as well as troops to defend and administer his supply lines there in Russia and Belarus

What he has, he is rolling the dice on


44 posted on 02/27/2022 3:22:29 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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