Federal Judge Rejects Plea Deal For Man Who Killed Ahmaud Arbery After Family Outrage

Huff Po ^ | 1/31/22 | Phillip Jackson

[Republican in occupied CA]

I have to say that if I really thought someone who had a gun on me was going to kill me anyway, I would probably at least *try* to get it away and do them.

Better to go at least *trying*. That is, of course, presuming that I’m not somewhere I shouldn’t be.

[caww]

Yp...I agree too. From the get go these guys were on a personal mission which wasn’t theirs to handle.

However I see every day videos of blacks sucker punching people and drive by shootings etc. that don’t get the attention they should in the courts.

[DiogenesLamp]

Another example of the courts are garbage.

[DiogenesLamp]

I’m against crime as much as anyone, but killing Arbery with a shotgun for suspecting him of stealing things was NOT right.

And that didn't happen. He was killed because he viciously attacked a man holding a shotgun and struggled with the man attempting to wrest the gun away from him.

I would have shot the stupid bastard too.

They could have called the cops.

They did. Additionally, the guy leading the whole thing was a retired cop.

I sure wouldn’t want someone’s death on my hands for no good reason.

The guy had a very good reason for shooting him. He attacked the man holding the shotgun.

[DiogenesLamp]

A jury ruled, that you not allowed to track down an innocent jogger with truck then threaten him with rifles and then shoot him like a dog when he tries to defend himself against the nuts hunting him.

Well no wonder they got it wrong if that's the crap they were told.

They waited for him at the exit, the stupid piece of sh*t charged at the man holding a shotgun, punched him in the face, and attempted to wrest the weapon out of his hands.

The stupid @$$hole needed to be shot.

Sorry, these horrible people got what they deserved and should be put to death for what they did to that poor guy.

You need to stop swallowing the crap the lying media feeds people and start doing your own research. Arbery was a thief and a violent psychotic who was high at the time he attacked the man with the shotgun.

We know he was psychotic because they released that medical information about him after his death. Same with his blood levels containing drugs.

[DiogenesLamp]

These are the guys who chased Arbery down and murdered him?

No. These are the guys who tried to talk to him, and he kept running away, and so they went to the exit of the neighborhood to wait for him to figure out it was the only way to get out of the neighborhood.

Then the stupid piece of sh*t attacked the man holding the shotgun, and he sensibly shot his attacker who was trying to take his gun away from him.

The the entire power of the lying media and the corrupt/stupid court system came down on these men who did the world a favor by getting rid of another criminal piece of sh*t.

[DiogenesLamp]

well, think of it this way; you’re walking down a street, not your own neighborhood, and you may or may not have committed some unspecified crime...then two armed men, who have no direct knowledge of your ‘crime’, overtake you in a truck and one of them confronts you with a firearm in his hands...

Well, you could think of it that way... if you don't give a crap about the truth. They knew who Arbery was because he was captured on video several times entering that house in the middle of the night. They also knew a gun was stolen by someone and Occam's razor says it was probably the thief Arbery.

Likewise, Arbery was large, young and strong, and he might have been armed with that stolen pistol. You would have to be an idiot to try to confront this guy with nothing. He would have whipped all three of those men in a physical fight.

Arbery did not need to go near those men. The police had been called, and there were sirens approaching. They arrived minutes later. Arbery could have sat and waited, but because he was a thief, he knew he would get arrested if he did, and he was already out of jail on probation.

Stupid bastard charged at a man holding a shotgun and got himself killed when the man holding the shotgun did what any rational person would have done.

[sonofagun]

The family wants a Federal death penalty and they will probably get what they want else the judge, or any other federal judiciary member, will be “lynched” by social media.

These are dangerous times.

[DiogenesLamp]

If two cars blocked you on a street and got out with shotguns, how would you react? Being unarmed and nowhere to run, maybe youd panic and go for the gun too?

Rational people do not run at a man holding a shotgun. Drugged up psychotic thieves do that.

It was pretty well confirmed he did go into one home that was under construction.

In the middle of the night and on numerous occasions. That's how the McMichaels knew what he looked like. They had been given the video.

He was unarmed and had no stolen goods on him.

And how would you know that until you found out? They knew a pistol had been stolen from one of their trucks when someone came up in the middle of the night and stole it. It was most likely that thief Arbery.

So you are just going to assume that the guy is unarmed while knowing full well that a pistol had been stolen by some piece of sh*t thief?

I would have assumed this guy was the piece of sh*t that stole the gun. He was already out on probation for a previous gun charge.

[DiogenesLamp]

I have to say that if I really thought someone who had a gun on me was going to kill me anyway, I would probably at least *try* to get it away and do them.

Wait, what? You are several hundred feet away from a guy holding a shotgun, and you would run up to him, punch him in the face and try to get the gun away?

What is wrong with you?

I would run screaming for help in the other direction. I absolute, under no circumstances would run at a man holding a shotgun and then punch him in the face. That is what a psychotic person does. (And Arbery was psychotic because his medical records released after his death said he was diagnosed as psychotic.)

[Gigantor]

“If he had been armed, I would of supported his right to shoot dead every one of these racists.”

I support shooting dead every one of the illiterates of the world who say “would of.”

[TexasFreeper2009]

they didn’t have to be told anything, the morons video tapped the whole thing.

Chasing the victim down in their trucks, cutting him off, jumping out and pointing a gun at him.

All of this was shown to a jury that unanimously agreed that these guys murdered that guy.

[DiogenesLamp]

Chasing the victim down in their trucks,

You have presumably watched the video you mentioned. In it you can clearly see they are not chasing him. The stupid SOB runs at and attacks the man with the shotgun and he gets shot. This is what is supposed to happen if you attack a man with a shotgun.

Arbery is not the "victim." He is the piece of sh*t that instigated the whole thing, up to and including his own death. The victims are the people who have just been railroaded by our sh*tty incompetent/corrupt legal system.

[Louis Foxwell]

No. You do not have all the facts. Aubrey struggled for possession of the rifle. When it was triggered during the struggle he was shot and died. According to video he pulled the trigger that resulted in his death.

[Louis Foxwell]

The innocent jogger story was always nonsense. He was seen by police entering property. He was described and residents were warned to be on the lookout for him. Because the defendants had no personal witness of him committing a crime they were not acting legally by trying to hold him prisoner. The ensuing struggle resulting in his death was determined to be the defendant’s fault. They were found guilty of his death.

[DiogenesLamp]

The ensuing struggle resulting in his death was determined to be the defendant’s fault.

Declared and asserted to be the defendants fault. Factually it was Arbery's fault. The court system is garbage and this is but one more example of how the court system often gets things absolutely wrong.

Our court system is crap.

[Republican in occupied CA]

At several hundred feet, with just one person, of course I’d run.

With three A-holes and they are close? At that point my attitude is I’m dead anyway, at least take a scumbag or two with me. Draw down on me and you’d best kill me because you have given me complete justification to do that to you.

[DiogenesLamp]

With three A-holes and they are close? At that point my attitude is I’m dead anyway, at least take a scumbag or two with me.

You think running at a man with a gun in broad daylight with police sirens approaching rapidly and in full view of the public is a better idea than just staying away from the guy with the gun and waiting for police?

I see very little danger from staying away from people *IF* you think they are going to shoot you. (Which I do not believe for a minute that "gangsta' thug Arbery thought they would do.)

I see massive and very probable danger from running at a man holding a shotgun and then hitting him in the face.

If your judgement is that you are better off running at a man with a shotgun than simply stop approaching the man with the gun and wait for the police, then I think you have very poor judgement.

I think Arbery was not afraid of these men, but he was afraid of getting arrested by the cops. I think Arbery imagined himself to be a "gangsta" thug and he wasn't gonna let no white boys embarrass or hassle him and he did what a thug would do. He ran up and tried to put the beatdown on one of them.

I have a good grasp of how black "gangsta" types think because I used to hang around with several of them, and they weren't gonna let some punk @$$ white boy intimidate them with a gun.

I had one friend that actually walked up to a guy and took his gun away from him.

Brave they are, but also very stupid.

[Republican in occupied CA]

Probably why it’s better to carry a pistol than anything else.

You have a perfect right to shoot anyone drawing down on you unless you are on someone else’s private property or they are a cop.

I’m *very* intimidated by guns. But I am going to operate on the assumption that anyone aiming one at me is going to use it, therefore my *only* option if I can’t run is to try to take them (and anyone with them) with me.

Never pull a gun on anyone you aren’t prepared to shoot. And always assume that if you don’t kill them they will feel utterly entitled to kill you and probably anybody related to and/or near you.

I’ve only ever held a weapon on someone once, and that was a crossbow (albeit one with a very nasty tip).

I get your point; you are convinced that Arbry was a thief and that those three were doing the right thing, or at least convinced they were; I am of the opposite opinion, that they had nothing but a hunch and an assumption.

If you pull a weapon first, you are 100 percent responsible for anything subsequent that happens, no exceptions, exclusions or extenuating circumstances; just as if you take the first swing at a person, you should have to utterly take *ALL* consequences of everything that happens afterwards.

You are starting from the assumption the three did nothing wrong; I am starting from the assumption that they were entirely in the wrong, from presuming Arbry was a criminal casing the joint, to playing vigilante, to chasing someone, to aiming a weapon at someone they didn’t *already* have 100 percent justification to kill.

[DiogenesLamp]

I am of the opposite opinion, that they had nothing but a hunch and an assumption.

Well that and the fact that Arbery had been identified to them by the videos that homeowner had sent to McMichael showing Arbery wandering through the house in the middle of the night on many different dates.

Also they had the knowledge that a thief had been spotted in the area at night looking in people's windows.

Also they had the knowledge that someone (presumably the same thief) had stolen a gun from inside of one of their trucks.

And furthermore, as a retired police detective, the elder McMichael used "hunches" as a regular tool in his vocation.

If you pull a weapon first, you are 100 percent responsible for anything subsequent that happens, no exceptions, exclusions or extenuating circumstances;

Disagree. When you are holding a shotgun, you aren't "pulling" a weapon. You are holding it. Nobody was pointing a gun at Arbery until he charged at the man holding a shotgun.

You are starting from the assumption the three did nothing wrong;

I initially thought they did. The lying media reported it as "White racist rednecks hunt down and murder black man jogging through their neighborhood!"

I said to myself, How in h3ll could anyone be acting like that nowadays? Then I learned every single bit of the media claims were lies.

I am starting from the assumption that they were entirely in the wrong, from presuming Arbry was a criminal casing the joint,

Well he was. We have video proof that Arbery was going into the place in the middle of the night on numerous occasions on different dates. The prosecutor at the trial admitted that guy in the video was Arbery.

And the McMichaels knew this was the guy because they had seen the videos which the owner had sent to the elder McMichael precisely because he was a retired cop who lived in the neighborhood.