Constitutional amendment proposal would repeal federal income tax and the 16th Amendment which authorizes it

GovTrack ^ | 12/14/2021 | Jesse Rifkin

[Openurmind]

Considering many go to congress as middlebor slightly more income and leave as multi-millionaires even as billionaires, this is never going to happen. This is all due to indirect residuals from income tax revenues.

[EQAndyBuzz]

“How about Term Limits for all the Critters”

Base term limits on a balanced budget. If the budget isn’t balanced in a given year, you cannot run for reelection. Same thing with the debt. If the nations debt doesn’t decrease, you cannot run for reelection.

I would like to see this as a referendum.

[Seajay]

Also the 22nd

[Seajay]

Also the 22nd.. think about it

[taxcontrol]

I am of the opinion that federal taxes should be assessed to the states based on their representation.

Start with the projected spending, and divide equally into two parts - Senator tax (ST) and Representative tax (RT). The ST is further divided by 100 and becomes the tax assessed per senator in congress for that state. The RT is likewise divided by the total number of representatives and is the amount assessed per representative for that state.

To enforce payment by the state, if the state falls 60 days behind in payments, escrow the salaries of all state legislators and Governor, prohibit the representatives from voting in any committee meeting.

If the State falls 90 days behind, escrow the senator and representative salaries, prohibit voting on the floor.

If the State falls 120 days behind, Then the Sec of Treasury will appoint a commissioner to approve all State spending and require the suspension of any non essential services.

[aquila48]

“Odds of passage are low in the Democratic-controlled chamber.”

Low?? How about negative?

[Petrosius]

You are highlighting the wrong words. The change was in the words "from whatever source derived." The 16th Amendment was a response to the Supreme Court ruling Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. in 1894. In that ruling the court did rule that all income taxes were unconstitutional (there had been an income tax in 1861) but rather held that income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were direct taxes and thus had to be apportioned among the states on the basis of population.

[Sequoyah101]

The only way to curb giverment spemding waste is to starve the beast.

In the oilfield we once used reserve pits for waste water. These were sometimes an acre in size and feet deep. They always filled with waste liquid that had to be hauled and disposed at great expense. The pits were always filled. Out of frustration with pollution and cost I first cut the pit size by 1/3. You could hear the screams of protest for miles. Waste management improved though. I then cut the pit size to half the original. Screams of protest came again and waste management improved again. Fluid disposal costs went down again. Eventually most waste pits on drilling locations disappeared but waste is still hauled to disposal at high cost but not nearly as much waste is generated as before.

I was certainly not alone in my waste reduction effort. We were also forced to manage better by environmental decree.

Starve the beast.

[glennaro]

Yeah ... I won’t be following this useless symbolism ... too much reality going on for that!

[Louis Foxwell]

Term limits for GS 12 and above, limit to 8 years.
RIGID enforcement of private/public sector separation.
Life time imprisonment for abuse of office.

[lewislynn]

How stupid Americans were to change the Constitution to authorize government theft.

No offense but the stupid one is you for thinking they were stupid.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

[Jim Noble]

13 times this idiocy has been introduced, and 13 times dead without a committee vote.

How about work on something that could happen?

[karnage]

I like it.

But I will not bet on it going anywhere...

[central_va]

The 16th amendment allowed for the creation of the income tax, every source seems to say that but you.

[Petrosius]

See this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution.

[joma89]

How stupid Americans were to change the Constitution to authorize government theft.

[joma89]

Great point! And I will rewrite my comment:

How horribly devious and criminal Americans were to change the Constitution to authorize government theft.

[RebelTXRose]

Yep, income was from investments. Wages were earned from labor.

Govt just changed definition of income to include wages.
16th still doesn’t include Wages. Thete was a guy who fought the taxes in late 80 or early 90s. Jury found him not guilty. Govt went after him again, cause each years taxes was a separate case. Too bad this hasn’t been fought more.

[ProgressingAmerica]

I hope they repeal this beast and I hope it makes Theodore Roosevelt spin in his grave. He's the guy who revived the whole "we need the income tax" nonsense in 1907.

[I got the rope]

Was it really ratified? Prove it.