bunch of stubborn old curmudgeons here. Grumpy Old Men.
I was trying to hold back that very statement. I've never see such a weird reaction to enviro wacko's admitting it's not working, and then they call me the enviro wacko. I feel like I write useful info only to be beaten up by the spelling Nazi's. They don't even read what I wrote but notice a misspelled word.
I recently wrote a 2 page essay on all of the bigotry in America pretty much came from Democrats and the Democrat party and what I got from FR was how I got the date wrong on when the KKK was formed. The source I used gave one date, but the curmudgeons here disagreed with it. No one commented on a bunch of Democrats getting together to form the group.