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Texas Border Wall: Gov. Abbott Signs Letters For Funding, Demanding Land Back From Federal Government
21 CBS DFW ^ | June 16, 2021 | CBSDFW.com Staff

Posted on 06/16/2021 2:41:59 PM PDT by TLI

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To: thinden
how far down the border would $1bb get him?

Well, if he only hired illegals..........

41 posted on 06/16/2021 7:00:33 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Bongino says.)
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To: Bikkuri
I could swear that I’ve read some US law (or something similar) that was made to prevent the Federal govt. from taking any state land.

Ever hear of National Parks, or World Heritage Sites?

42 posted on 06/16/2021 7:02:42 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Bongino says.)
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To: thinden

“what’s your take on Gov Abbott’s proposal to build the wall?”

I think it is a reasonable effort on the State’s part - they have a responsibility to secure their citizens and property, and uphold the law. I doubt that the State alone would be able to muster the resources needed to fully secure the border, like the FedGov could.

“how much remains open in Texas?”

Texas has 1,250 miles, out of 1,950 miles of the Southern Border. Probably only about 100-150 miles has effective barrier. 200-300 more miles is pretty desperately needed (Rio Grande Valley and Laredo Sectors, and border cities where the highways cross). Texas did get some excellent Trump barrier around El Paso, Texas, way up North

how far down the border would $1bb get him?”

It depends on what features they buy. Basic bollards and patrol road on dry flat stretches can be as low as $4 million per mile. Hurricane-rated flood control barrier system with all the bells and whistles needed in the Rio Grande Valley is more like $20-25 Million per mile.

Not all of that Billion dollars is going to barrier system - it might only be a small part of their program.

I’d say the bottom line is that they can make very significant improvements in targeted local areas, but won’t have enough resources to single-handedly fix the National immigration and drug smuggling problem.


43 posted on 06/16/2021 7:50:17 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo; little jeremiah

That’s great information beaubo

I appreciate your insight on the border matters.

fyi: after posting my original questions to you, I had to run some errands, and while I was out I heard someone on talk radio say they were setting up a “go fund me” account to help raise money for the wall??

Anyway. It will be interesting to watch the texas wall initiative

Good to hear from you


44 posted on 06/16/2021 9:13:31 PM PDT by thinden ( )
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To: TLI

AFAIK, the Feds only have lands that TX has ceded to them for military bases and national parks.

The lands along the border mostly belong to TX and private owners.


45 posted on 06/17/2021 6:06:12 AM PDT by octex
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To: neodad

It’s not the Fed’s land.


46 posted on 06/17/2021 6:08:24 AM PDT by octex
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To: itsahoot

TX was a Republic (a country). When it agreed to join the USA it retained all property rights. Feds have been given some for military bases and nat’l parks, not the border lands.


47 posted on 06/17/2021 6:22:18 AM PDT by octex
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To: thinden; little jeremiah; octex; be-baw; butlerweave; rigelkentaurus; neodad; TLI; eastexsteve

Good to hear from you too thinden - and good to hear from Governor Abbot, manning up to the task.

It is the Federal Government’s duty, but they have dropped it. It falls on the shoulders of the Governor, who has not shirked.

I’ve looked into it a bit more, and like what I see. A quarter billion (out of the 1.1 billion security budget) appears set aside for barrier (over ten times what We Build the Wall was able to raise). If that is a single year’s budget, then this is not a trivial showpiece, but a serious effort. Somewhere around 10-75 miles of high end barrier system, depending on location. But they can feasibly make a significant impact with a Program like this (especially if future year budgets can ramp up).

They have announced that they will hire a Project Manager. That person will produce the plan, then contracts will have to be competed and awarded, and the winning vendor(s) will need start up time.

So groundbreaking will not be this year, and it would have to be a multi-year effort to really control the border - perhaps even a decade or more, depending on funding. (That is just building the infrastructure, enforcement will largely remain in Federal hands.)

The issue of requesting land from the Federal Government, likely concerns the parcels that Feds have acquired (and are still acquiring) along the planned path of the Wall. Land acquisition has been the long pole in the tent, to build border wall in Texas. In other States, the Roosevelt Reservation had already acquired right of way.

Texas wants to target its investments where they are most needed, and will produce the biggest effects - the same as the Trump Program. The highest priority miles are in the Rio Grande Valley, where Border Patrol is now leading parades of a thousand captured illegals through town every night, while even more are getting away.

The problem of prioritizing which miles to build first, has been extensively studied during the Trump Program, and is now well known (although it does shift over time, as cartels adapt). To plug those worst of the holes, the Feds have already acquired key tracts of land required, from private landowners, and Local and State Governments, through use of eminent domain.

Leftists in the Biden Administration can use control of that land to obstruct State progress in building effective barrier, where it is most needed. They will of course, also use “Lawfare” techniques to obstruct, using environmental and fake Native American front groups, but they won’t have the Ninth Circuit to back them up in Texas.

So it might be like pulling teeth to get the land, unless Texas Democrats like Henry Cuellar (D - Laredo/Los Zetas) agree behind the scenes (while publicly trashing it, of course). We’ll have to see how it plays out politically, because the shift in voting toward the Republican Party in Hispanic South Texas districts was one of the biggest in the whole Country last election. The Dems might be scared enough to want the problem to go away.

200-300 miles more worth of Trump-style super barrier system (with all the relatively inexpensive technology enhancements) is really the main job in Texas. Those priority miles are the great bulk of the problem - The Rio Grande Valley and Laredo Sectors of the Borders, and 10-20 miles each around Eagle Pass and Del Rio. The rest is relatively playing small ball.

I think that the bottom line on getting the land from the Feds, is that if they do not agree (even though they could fight in court), the State will end up having to go down the priority list, and build where they can get the land.

They will be playing whack-a-mole for several more years at that rate, but as barrier gets built out, law enforcement can concentrate greater resources on the shrinking gaps, and gradually the nature of the remaining terrain will be growing more favorable to law enforcement as well (more open and accessible), as the tougher spots get cleared and built out.

It is just a big job, that is going to take a determined effort. Once the Program is set up and planned out, and contractors are working, it would then be possible to scale it up by adding more money. It is not really possible to start a Program like this at peak speed, there is some unavoidable ramp up.


48 posted on 06/17/2021 10:08:35 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: OldPossum

Ping.

Maybe we will get back into the Wall building business after all.


49 posted on 06/17/2021 10:43:00 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

thanx again for the color.

I’m looking forward to more frequent reports on the progress on the wall in Texas.

who knows, things may change after the 22 elections?

sadly with dem gov in NM & Rinos in AZ, it would be difficult to mount a similar effort as what abbott has going in Texas.


50 posted on 06/17/2021 11:36:47 AM PDT by thinden ( )
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To: eastexsteve

Well here’s hoping. Things I hope get interesting. Didn’t know about the gold reserves.


51 posted on 06/17/2021 3:44:38 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Guenevere

What does that mean then? Will the left go nuts about this? Will there be a crisis of conflict between DC and Texas? Can’t see the Feds just sitting by.


52 posted on 06/17/2021 3:48:37 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Bikkuri

Ha ha. I didn’t know that was a canadian expression? I know we also say parkade instead of parking garage. That gave it away to my American wife of 20 years/


53 posted on 06/17/2021 3:49:49 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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