Posted on 04/28/2021 6:43:50 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
This charge of genocide was voted, in resolution form, by both houses of the U.S. Congress in 2019, with large bipartisan support.
The same charge has been held up to Turkey by the EU nations, for years now. They have made Turkey’s recognition of the genocide as a prerequisite of any additional improvement in EU-Turkey ties.
I cannot stand Biden.
But this action I do support.
“Good terms” with Islamist Erdogan is not worth avoiding his anger over this.
This charge of genocide was voted, in resolution form, by both houses of the U.S. Congress in 2019, with large bipartisan support.
The same charge has been held up to Turkey by the EU nations, for years now. They have made Turkey’s recognition of the genocide as a prerequisite of any additional improvement in EU-Turkey ties.
I cannot stand Biden.
But this action I do support.
“Good terms” with Islamist Erdogan is not worth avoiding his anger over this.
That’s the one good thing Biden has done, then.
Tuck Furkey!
Mrs rktman went to Armenia after the soviet collapse to try to teach economics and business practices. Black market was thriving as they usually do.
May Russia one day liberate Constantinople.
Something pertinant but not discussed very much:
“...in 2016, demonstrators burned American flags and demanded that the U.S. leave the base. In 2017 and 2019, Turkey threatened to cut off American access to Incirlik.
In 2018, Turkish lawyers wanted to raid the base and arrest U.S. Air Force officers.
Alarmed and appalled, the U.S. has explored moving some Incirlik assets to Greece...”
https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/04/24/key-us-air-base-in-turkey-genocide/
There’s another thing—the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict
If it were any other administration, Id support it, but this is simply Biden virtue signaling and no one expects him to stand behind it. There’s a good chance it will cost us a couple of strategic assets.
I agree with you 100% about Turkey and the Armenian genocide.
Nonetheless, It seems the US deep state has chosen confrontation with Russia above all else, and if US Navy wants access to the Black Sea, antagonizing Turkey at the exactly the same time seems rather stupid.
“I didn’t know Greeks were lumped in with this; Greece attacked Turkey in 1919 to take territory from the defeated Ottomans, and after a few years the Turks beat them back. Anything done after the 1919 attack, while it may have been reprehensible, should be viewed in that context.”
O.K. But
Ottoman forced expulsions of Greeks in Anatolia began in 1912-1914, as did Ottoman attacks on and massacres in Greek villages in Anatolia in the same period.
Yes, following the end of WWI and in the period between that time and 1919 there were formal agreements of “exchanges of population” between Greece and Turkey, some of which were successful and some not.
But the Muslim attempts to reduce Anatolia’s populations of non-Turks began before all of it.
AND why should it be avoided, that Greeks occupying Anatolia goes back more than 1,000 years before the any Turks were ever there.
The Turks have a natural insecurity, from the start and from it has always arisen the need to either dominate, or eliminate the other peoples in Anatolia. They are totally the “new kids on the block”, with Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Syrians ALL preceding them, all with villages preceding them, by MANY centuries, and the Kurds and Syrians most of all (the Kurds are a people known as such in what is now Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria, back into time before Alexander the Great).
“Not that I don’t despise Biden, but do we really care if relations with an Islamo-Fascist regime ‘fray?’”
No. We don’t.
This charge of genocide was voted, in resolution form, by both houses of the U.S. Congress in 2019, with large bipartisan support.
The same charge has been held up to Turkey by the EU nations, for years now. They have made Turkey’s recognition of the genocide as a prerequisite of any additional improvement in EU-Turkey ties.
I cannot stand Biden.
But this action I do support.
“Good terms” with Islamist Erdogan is not worth avoiding his anger over this.
This charge of genocide was voted, in resolution form, by both houses of the U.S. Congress in 2019, with large bipartisan support.
The same charge has been held up to Turkey by the EU nations, for years now. They have made Turkey’s recognition of the genocide as a prerequisite of any additional improvement in EU-Turkey ties.
I cannot stand Biden.
But this action I do support.
“Good terms” with Islamist Erdogan is not worth avoiding his anger over this.
Why? Is the U.S. going to war with Russia over Ukraine?? I don’t think so.
Just understand how much of that rationale could be used to remove Europeans from the Americas - really.
The Turks did emerge from Asia later than those other groups, but that doesn’t really come into play - nobody is insisting that the whole of central and western Europe that was populated with Celts be returned to them (and the subsequent waves of Germanic and Roman peoples be removed).
Since Greece attacked Turkey in 1919, should the Turks claim the Greeks tried to genocide them? Greeks have their insecurities as well; at one time they had a massive empire, and now they are a relatively minor country. The Turks were the “sick man of Europe” for decades before WWI; before the fall of Constantinople centuries earlier, Greece held the same position - gradually shrinking.
“The Turks did emerge from Asia later than those other groups, but that doesn’t really come into play - nobody is insisting that the whole of central and western Europe that was populated with Celts be returned to them”
And where are the Celts it would be returned to??? LOL
My point is about the mentality of the Turks, what they know about themselves in the region, and how it has always driven a natural insecurity about themselves, which also drives their need to dominate or eliminate their minorities. It is in their cultural DNA.
The presence of their large “minorities” -
(Kurds are now between 15-20% of Tukey’s population, and the Armenians would likely be many millions more then the 2 million they were in 1914, if not for the genocide against them, and the same with the Greeks that were about 8.5% of the population in 1914) -
is a constant reminder of how the minorities are older in the land than they are. They KNOW that and it gnaws at their leaders.
So Far Biden has done TWO things I approve of—1. Pull out Troops from the Afghanistan hell hole where we can’t win. (a Trump idea by the way) What makes you think if Imperial Russia couldn’t beat them, The Victorian British Empire couldn’t, the Soviets couldn’t—that somehow we could? and 2. Condemning the Turks for their 1915-20 holocaust. Read about the thing and it was as bad as the Nazis (but low Tech). They should have been slapped back by the League of Nations long ago and maybe Hitler wouldn’t have done his “Final Solution.” Two things right for Biden and a whole lot more wrong.
Bet you a dollar when he leaves office they'll still be there.
“Biden recognizes atrocities against Armenians as genocide”
Did he really?
The president(Biden) added, “We honor the victims of the Meds Yeghern so that the horrors of what happened are never lost to history. And we remember so that we remain ever-vigilant against the corrosive influence of hate in all its forms.”
So did President Trump, he did not use the word “genocide”.
Note: The #ComDem’s saw to it his speech was disappeared
I posted this on FR on 4/25/17
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3547211/posts?page=3
If you go to the source now you get a 404 error
Here it is in the archive files for the White House
https://massispost.com/2020/04/statement-by-president-donald-trump-on-armenian-remembrance-day/
Today, we join the global community in memorializing the lives lost during the “Meds Yeghern”, one of the worst mass atrocities of the 20th century. Beginning in 1915, 1 and a half million Armenians were deported, massacred, or marched to their deaths in the final years of the Ottoman Empire. On this day of remembrance, we pay respect to those who suffered and lost their lives, while also renewing our commitment to fostering a more humane and peaceful world.
Every year on April 24, we reflect on the strong and enduring ties between the American and Armenian peoples. We are proud of the founders of the American Committee for Armenian and Syrian Relief, a ground-breaking effort established in 1915 that provided crucial humanitarian support to Armenian refugees, and grateful for the thousands of Americans who contributed or volunteered to help Armenians expelled from their homes.
On this day, we bear witness to the strength and resiliency of the Armenian people in the face of tragedy. We are fortunate that so many Armenians have brought their rich culture to our shores and contributed so much to our country, including decorated soldiers, celebrated entertainers, renowned architects, and successful businesspeople.
We welcome efforts by the Armenians and Turks to acknowledge and reckon with their painful history. On this day, we believe it is our obligation to remember those who suffered and perished and reaffirm our commitment to protecting vulnerable religious and ethnic minorities around the world.
(“Meds Yeghern” = The Great Evil or The Great Crime)
So Did the State of Texas”
Texas Recognizes the Armenian Genocide; Becomes 46th State to Acknowledge the Crime http://armenianweekly.com/2017/05/19/texas-recognizes-the-
armenian-genocide-becomes-46th-state-to-acknowledge-the-crime/
Slow Joe is very Late again.
Actually I’m fine with this. We should have kicked Turkey to the curb 18 or so years ago. Inadvertently Biden has done the right thing here.
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