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To: Republican Wildcat

But am Israeli study shows mrna increases risk to new variants conpared to those without the vaccine.


2 posted on 04/12/2021 5:18:21 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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That was specifically the Pfizer vaccine regarding the South African variant. I believe it was an increase of 8 times of someone vaccinated vs someone who wasn’t and had contracted batflu and recovered.


5 posted on 04/12/2021 5:24:35 PM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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But am Israeli study shows mrna increases risk to new variants conpared to those without the vaccine.

So what to do?

6 posted on 04/12/2021 5:33:51 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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Not what the study shows


10 posted on 04/12/2021 5:42:01 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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“But am Israeli study shows mrna increases risk to new variants conpared to those without the vaccine.”
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There’s apparently a misunderstanding about the Israeli study going around. The below is copied from a comment I made yesterday to another with that misunderstanding.

You are COMPLETELY misrepresenting what the Israeli study looked at and what it found. Apparently, MATH IS HARD for some of our Agendanista anti-vaxxers. Following is my summary of the study:

The folks who conducted the study picked 400 UNVACCINATED people who TESTED positive for COVID-19. They may or may not have been symptomatic. Of these 400 COVID-19 “cases”, 0.7% (probably 3 cases) were of the South African variant and 99.3% (probably 397 case) were of other COVID-19 variants as determined by molecular testing. These 400 cases represent the “control” and should roughly show the size of the South African variant circulating in Israel as a percentage of COVID-19 cases. As the “control” population of 400 COVID-19 infected people UNAFFECTED BY PRIOR VACCINATION it will be what is used to “measure” how effective the vaccine is for both South African and non South African variants. If the vaccine is equally effective against both variants we’d expect to see similar breakdown (i.e., 99.3% and 0.7%) in the vaccinated group below.

The folks who conducted the study ALSO picked 400 VACCINATED (not necessarily fully vaccinated with 2 shots) people who also had TESTED positive for COVID-19 subsequent to their vaccination. They also may or may not have been symptomatic. Of this 2nd group of 400 COVID-19 “cases”, 5.4% (probably 22 cases) were of the South African variant and 94.6% (probably 378 case) were of other COVID-19 variants. This study (well designed, IMHO) has results that CLEARLY show that the South African variant is clearly much more likely to “breakthrough” than are the non South African variants. THAT’S ALL IT SHOWS AND THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO LOOK FOR. It certainly does NOT show you’re more likely to get infected by the South African variant if you’re vaccinated than if you were NOT vaccinated as some of the MATH CHALLENGED are alleging.

I apologize for any misspellings, grammatical mistakes or lack of clarity that may exist in the above.


40 posted on 04/13/2021 6:56:07 AM PDT by House Atreides
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