[Dr. Thorne]

Just silly. He gives credit to Christianity, but not to Christ our Savior and Redeemer who governs in the affairs of men. He misses the forest for the trees.

[newberger]

Actually, it is not silly, it is hopeful. Tom Holland really wants to believe. In a recent podcast with Shane Morris of the Colson Center, near the end of the interview, Holland pictures himself on the outside of Christianity longingly looking through the window.

Pray for him!

https://upstreamcc.libsyn.com/how-the-christian-revolution-remade-the-world-tom-holland-episode-20