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How Trump might still win: We are now in murky territory, but let's try to see through the murk
American Thinker ^ | 11/11/2020 | Robert Arvay

Posted on 11/11/2020 6:20:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind

There is hope. It's slim, but it's there.

This has never happened before, and we are in murky territory, but let's try to see through the murk.

In several states, including the ones Trump is now suing (Pennsylvania included), there were enough suspicious votes (fraudulent) to swing the election. But for that fraud, Trump would have been the clear winner.

We don't know how the court will rule, but it is possible that the court could award those electors to Trump or at least disqualify them from casting their votes.

If enough electors (or their votes) are disqualified, neither candidate will have the necessary 270 electoral votes to win. That would then send the decision to the House of Representatives, where the advantage would go to Trump, even if there are more Democrats in the House than Republicans. That is because, in the House, each state, not each representative, becomes a de facto elector. Each state would select one of its House members to vote for a candidate, and by this measure, there are more Republican states than Democrat. Trump would likely win.

The key to all of this is for the Supreme Court (or a state court, which is unlikely) to disqualify the electors who were fraudulently elected. This could throw the election to the House, a likely win for Trump, as was just pointed out.

It seems unlikely that the Supreme Court will actually disqualify any electors, but it could happen. Trump's lawyers can make the legal case, which is beyond my capability and authority, since I am not a lawyer. But any of us can make the moral case.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; fraud; litigation; trump
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1 posted on 11/11/2020 6:20:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There is bright hope for President Trump to be declared the winner as that’s the truth.


2 posted on 11/11/2020 6:25:06 AM PST by NonResidentAlien
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To: SeekAndFind

If all else fails we can always resort to the cartridge box.


3 posted on 11/11/2020 6:27:00 AM PST by DCBryan1 (COMDEMS would rather rule over a pile of ashes, than lose to Trump and REAL Americans)
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To: SeekAndFind

Slim my a%%! Hundreds of Thousands of Americans have been excluded as citizens and denied the right to have their voice heard. Proving voter fraud thru sworn affidavits has got to be worth something.


4 posted on 11/11/2020 6:28:05 AM PST by albie
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To: SeekAndFind

Another possibility would be to order revotes in certain counties or entire states. It probably won’t happen, but it seems more likely than disqualifying electors. There have been cases of courts ordering revotes where there was clear evidence of fraud. A NY Congressional seat had a court ordered revote back in the 70’s, IRRC.


5 posted on 11/11/2020 6:29:18 AM PST by lasereye
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To: SeekAndFind
The key to all of this is for the Supreme Court (or a state court, which is unlikely) to disqualify the electors who were fraudulently elected.

Well Duh!

6 posted on 11/11/2020 6:30:22 AM PST by McGruff (Man your battle stations. It's war.)
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KEEP IN MIND: Neither state governors nor courts, including states’ highest
courts, have any authority over how federal elections are conducted in their states.

DATES TO REMEMBER:
Dec. 8th...States Certification of Votes, each state has their deadline.
Dec. 14th..Electors Announce their Votes.
Jan. 6th...Joint Session of Congress reads aloud the votes of the Electors.


Q. Can they reject the Electors votes?
A. The Electors, appointed by Republican state Legislators, inform Congress of their findings. Congress can choose
to do anything it wants, but the Electors are appointed by legislatures by Constitutional responsibility.

If Congress wants to refuse them, the Supreme Court would decide which Elector slate is valid (assuming states sent two slates).

Because the Constitution specifically says legislatures select the slate, and Governors are not involved, the Court would have no choice.

The law is clear.


Someone raised the agonizing question......what if the USSC does not want to overturn the election?

The USSC is guided by finite principles ——— who won or who lost is not one of those principles.

In the Bush/Gore decision, the USSC stopped the count......they didnt overturn anything.......they didnt decide who won or who lost.


7 posted on 11/11/2020 6:31:09 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: SeekAndFind
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8 posted on 11/11/2020 6:34:38 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s murky about the Constitution?


9 posted on 11/11/2020 6:34:53 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Soreness in PA will likely throw out the fraud ballots swinging the state to Trump. Maybe in MI and WI also.


10 posted on 11/11/2020 6:35:16 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

My understanding is - and I could well have this wrong so any correction is welcome - SCOTUS last Friday ordered PA to segregate ALL ballots received after 8 PM on 11/3 so that those ballots could be counted under existing state law: meaning in the view of GOP Poll Challengers who were illegally prevented from entering the precincts. PA Elections Board didn’t. And - was a second SCOTUS ruling sent Monday saying the same thing? If I have that right, don’t the segregated ballots have to be removed from the total??


11 posted on 11/11/2020 6:36:00 AM PST by antonico
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To: SeekAndFind

We all know that President Trump won.

No way that a man who attracted thousands of people, in all manner of weather, lost to a man who attracted tens of cars. Safely inside, probably wearing masks even if they were alone.


12 posted on 11/11/2020 6:42:52 AM PST by proud American in Canada (In these trying times, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!l)
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Great pic.

Justice Thomas was put through the wringer. So terrible.


13 posted on 11/11/2020 6:45:20 AM PST by proud American in Canada (In these trying times, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!l)
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To: SeekAndFind

So mote it be.


14 posted on 11/11/2020 6:51:39 AM PST by SimpleJack
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To: lasereye

If that happens, it must be 1) in-person 2) ID And signature check 3) timeout deadline 4) bipartisan watchers


15 posted on 11/11/2020 6:51:43 AM PST by Lee25
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To: SeekAndFind

Gore went 37 day post Election. We are at Nov. 3rd + 8.


16 posted on 11/11/2020 6:57:07 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

Each of those states has a Republican state legislature. If the state legislature determines there was fraud on a large scale, they could do several things. They could declare Trump the winner and appoint a slate of electors to vote accordingly. They could also insist on a re-vote with the normal election integrity rules in place.

There is zero, zip, zilch, nada the courts could do about that. It is the legislature which makes election laws and which decides the winner. Do the Republicans have the balls?

It’s starting to dawn on even the Establishment Republicans that if they roll over, they are done. They are done both because the Democrats will simply do the same to them to get total power then change the rules (eg DC statehood) to stay in power forever, and they are done because nobody on the Right would ever vote for them again.


17 posted on 11/11/2020 6:58:22 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: lasereye

Exactly that (a re-vote) happened in my congressional district in North Carolina last year. We had no US rep for a year and then we held a special election a year later.

This would be by far the best outcome for the country.


18 posted on 11/11/2020 7:01:01 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump won this election by a landslide. Now the dems have stolen it and are daring us to try and do something about it under the threat of rioting and doxxing and media shaming and all the other nonsense! I say f#ck them all and let’s get our country back! The alternative is to take a knee and lose everything!


19 posted on 11/11/2020 7:03:05 AM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: proud American in Canada
The reason it is so murky is the problem with remedies in this situation, which is made much more difficult by the poor procedures in our elections. Let's say Trump trailed Biden in a given state by 1,200 votes. If you could prove that 4x that number were invalid ballots (say cast by illegal aliens using false identities - casting ballots of recently - i.e., pre-election - deceased voters), what next? The ballots that have been cast are part of a large, undifferentiated mass of anonymous ballots, no longer linked to the specific voter who cast it. Do you remedy this by choosing 4,800 ballots at random to toss out before a recount is conducted? Is that not disenfranchising some large number (as large as 4,800) legitimate voters? Do you re-run the election? If you order a re-run of the election and the Constitution says the states are responsible for determining the place and manner of elections, are you not just jumping into the same mess (abusive mail-in ballot procedures that can be gamed) all over again?
20 posted on 11/11/2020 7:07:28 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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