The Chinese Army Flops in India. What Will Xi Do Next? | Opinion

Newsweek ^ | Gordon C Chang

[Reily]

You need to read more ...

https://www.amazon.com/Slavery-Indian-Country-Changing-Captivity/dp/0674064232/ref=sr_1_5?crid=19IBC76E03HCY&dchild=1&keywords=native+american+slavery&qid=1600096964&s=books&sprefix=native+american+sla%2Cstripbooks%2C150&sr=1-5

[Rlsau1]

The Irish might disagree with you about no white slaves. As I understand it, the reason the Brits turned to Africans was their Irish slaves couldn’t tolerate the heat in the sugar cane fields. That didn’t mean that they eliminated their Irish slaves elsewhere in the new world.

[wjr123]

marktwain,

Uh, no, there were many white subjected to indentured servitude. This was the equivalent of a timed slavery.

[USS Alaska]

The indians live with a caste system within their own environment.

They have been slowly trying to change it but it is still there.

There is the varnas, the jatis and then the lowest of all the untouchables or outcastes.

We are in the last group.

This is the very definition of racism, bigotry and predudice.

If you don't believe this, do some research, you have a computer or as I call them a confuser.

[Joe Boucher]

folks simply need to travel outside the U.S. to see how just America is.
Needs work on it here and there but compared to the rest of the world??

[nathanbedford]

The number of minds and spirits at work in your culture does count--if they are at liberty to exercise their powers. That number is itself a raw material--except it isn't raw

I think we both find that our views overlap.

In other words a large population can in fact provide the raw numbers from which human innovation and imagination can be drawn and applied to technology.

On the other hand, a large population can lurch out of control for a country like China and become a threat to the existence of the regime.

So a mass of fertile minds create the technology which controls the mass of fertile minds. This China has clearly done but the more the mass is controlled the less liberty and the less liberty, clearly, the less innovation.

A massive population can provide an ambitious country with a huge market with which to dictate terms of trade and even internal affairs such as Censoring media in a Hollywood desperate for that large market. Both the United States and China have dictated trade and internal affairs from this power position.

On the other hand the huge population generates more than a huge market, it generates huge demand which must be fed often from foreign sources leaving the nation vulnerable to supply interruptions. We have experienced that in the supply chain revelations coming out of covid-19 revealing our vulnerability up and down the line but especially with respect to antibiotics.

A huge population can be a Malthusian problem. United States is fortunate that it can feed a huge population and much of the rest of the world besides. China is not so fortunate and its huge population has become a huge problem to feed. That means that resources have to be diverted from technology to sustenance. It means further that trade compromises have to be negotiated blunting the power of the large market to dominate neighbors.

It is not necessarily true that a large population base is necessary because it does not take too many great brains to provide the technology. The best evidence of that is the state of Israel. One might also point to postwar Japan and Germany as examples of nations who know how to bend their national resources toward innovating technology. The question is, do anyone actually need 1.4 billion people to dream up the technology needed in the 21st and 22nd century?

A great massive population can be a great liability in a world of ICBM missiles carrying nuclear warheads because it amounts to a massive target. The age of mass armies that we saw on the first two world wars is clearly behind us but the need to care for huge population against privations in time of war remains with us.

Clearly there is a give-and-take in considering the military and geopolitical power granted to a nation with a large population. Anyone who denies some of the benefits has no sense of history, anyone who puts all his bets on it has no sense of the future.

[sarge83]

My wife’s cousin married an Indian who was born in the states and he has a horrible temper, his whole family does. He hid it well until the marriage. He hasn’t hit her yet, but punches walls and rages at just stupid stuff. Whoa unto him if he hits her, she’s a pretty Harlan KY hillbilly girl and she will whip his butt in a New York minute.

[sarge83]

My uncle said the same thing when he ran into them at the Yalu in Korea in 1950. Just waves of them coming at you. A friend at church was in the Marines in Korea and talked about multi-layered defensive lines the Marines would set up and the waves just kept coming, picking up rifles of the fallen. The Marines would hold a line as long as they could and fall back, calling in artillery and airstrikes until eventually the attack fell apart.

[entropy12]

The Irish were slaved in United States of America?
If yes, that is news to me.

Remember, the subject du jour is slavery in USA.
And that was almost all Negroes imported from Africa.

[entropy12]

This may come as a shock to you, but as opposed to your experience with caste system, I actually spent my first 20 years of life growing up in India, experienced the caste system FIRST HAND, and therefor my experience could me closer to the truth.

During my high school and college years I came to know thousands and thousands of students. None of them, not a single individual soul, ever asked me what caste I belonged to, and I never asked any others of their caste. My best childhood friends, were my neighbor kids. On one side of our house was a Muslim family. Only reason I knew they were Muslims was they attended part time Muslim religious school nearby. Other than that we had all common interests, the usual young teen stuff. We dressed the same, conversed in Hindi which is India’s national language. Other side of our house was a family who spoke same language as us. Again all of us hung out at each other’s homes and nobody cared what my caste was.

The ONLY time caste became an issue was when an arranged marriage was taking place, and then the prospective mate was chosen from same caste. All my older siblings attended and graduated from college in 1940’s, including my 3 sisters. They all had arranged marriages within our caste and no one ever got divorced. The divorce rate among arranged marriages in India is much lower than in USA.

Finally, a person from the so called untouchable cast was elected president of India decades ago. There are preferences in gov’t jobs for people from the lowest caste. Similar to race based quota’s in United States.

Do not rely on media stories about caste system. Those are always made more provocative and embellished to create interest in the story.

[Cronos]

This article brings out a very good fact

The Chinese PLA has not fought a war since 1962. It has no battle experience and even the generals haven’t seen combat.

India in contrast has last fought a mini-war in 1999 and actively is involved in peace-keeping missions, so has some bloodiness.

Now this was comparing China to India. And in battle-readiness, India is way ahead.

if it comes to a China vs USA military “adventure”, this would be worse than the First gulf war — the iraqi army was battle-hardened but completely outclassed, outgunned and out-logistiked.

The Chinese army is outclassed and has no military experience. It would be destroyed by the USA in a few days.

[Cronos]

you see the same in Europe or parts of Latin America - or even now in the USA with the demoncrats

[bert]

That is all true

It is reported that China has moved 100,000 troops to the area

Will quantity and perseverance defeat quality?

That is the issue

[Cronos]

They are among the most racist yes (I’d actually rate the Koreans as the most racist)

But hate each other? No, they don’t

the Chinese think of India rarely if at all. Most Chinese people think of India in the following
1. Not at all
2. As the ancient country that birthed Buddhism
3. As a developing country
4. As a military annoyance (maybe 1% of the population think of it this way)

About INDIANS - they hardly think of the people at all

Now, indians on China - they hate the CCP, but they don’t hate Chinese people.

[Cronos]

Even in that case - the quantity and perseverance can be matched by India.