Posted on 09/07/2020 12:50:16 PM PDT by familyop
I know it’s oooitical but there are risks to HCQ that I think it inappropriate to make OTC. I think it’s ok for prophylaxis and early treatment with doxy but people shouldn’t be taking it Willie nillie. I don’t need a lecture on how it works as I prescribe it early on. But it’s not the be all and end all silver bullet
I’m voting for Trump BUT,
dammit
how many times have we heard teasing words like this?
Also, he has been untruthful during this entire covid thing and I’m NOT referring to the info that came out of Woodward’s book. Every week we’d be told “Rapid tests are coming” or “PPE is on the way.” I know some smaller hospitals STILL do not have enough PPE.
There are risks to any medication but they are multitudes less risk in taking it as opposed to having Covid and not taking it, but I mean early on, not after someone is on a ventilator like those deceitful fake trials did. I don't have the statistics available that an MD does but I challenge you to show why HCQ properly taken is anymore dangerous than myriads of OTC drugs, that also must be properly taken.
No kidding — that is an awesome description — the mental anti-vaxxers. You ever notice how they are expert at deflecting their lunacy on normal people? And that the cannot answer a straight forward question — they really are something else.
Of course it plays right into the democrats hands — but some of our brethren on this site are just too self righteous to understand this — no one is going to sneak up and jab a needle in them — but they cannot help but trying to play into keeping things shut down. They are idiots.
Oops. I confused this discussion with a discussion about drug busts. There are some ties, though, between drug addiction and attractions to conspiracy theories.
It is an immune suppressant that can cause blindness. The cardiac effects are real despite popular opinion and caused us to stop it in many hospitalized patients. It is not tylenol or imodium and should be monitored by someone who knows what they are doing. I am not aa can of over the counter for it either.
Then there should be ample evidence of increased cardiac events in areas that have increased their use. Does that data exist? All the Covid deaths claimed, fail to list comparisons of previous deaths from other causes. Has death rate for other causes declined? Has total death rate increased? I haven't seen any comparisons at all. I have seen claims that more people have died of plain old influenza than Covid, which is it.
The problem is not the science the problem is the politics and people are apt to not trust any government data on this because they openly declare they are not surrendering emergency powers until after the election. Civil war would have already been full bore if Trump announced such a thing and you know it.
Think what you want i do not think it should be an over the counter medication. People are so dug in politically they see the utility of the drug as a referendum on Trump. I just want the best for my patients politics aside. If it works great - but I have not seen convincing evidence of that in the patient population I treat (hospitalized patients). routinely monitoring the QT interval in such patients caused us to discontinue it in a fair amount of patients. Whether you believe it or not a prolonged QT interval is a risk for some very nasty cardiac arrhythmias.
Even before this I have seen drugs that everyone knew worked turn out to be killing people when the studies were finally done. Read about a drug called xigris if you are interested I personally do not have a dog in the hunt on hydroxychloroquine I am good with following the clinical studies. Like all therapies I hope it works but it certainly is not a magic bullet. Frankly the most promising therapy is the decadron.
Then you refuse to look at the evidence. The clinical trials that you seem to turn to for evidence were bogus, designed to fail and that evidence is available to anyone who cares to look at it.
The study the VA issued was absolutely fraudulently performed. Clearly the treatment is not meant to be a last resort medication and needs to be used as a three part treatment, none of those protocols were followed. Care to look how many doses of HCQ the VA issues every month, maybe that would give you a hint at hoe fraudulent the VA test really is.
Look at the study released by Spain, said the had a 30% less death rate when administered properly, care to tell us what the requirement are for the FDA to declare a treatment a miracle drug?
I have had PVCs for as long as I can remember, 75 years, probably all my 82 years. I would certainly take a drug combination with risk a 30% success rate as opposed to 100% death rate for people my age. But of course I don't have that choice, do I?
I don’t know where you get the 100% death rate. even for the very elderly last i saw its around 10%. clinical trials in hospitalized patients pts fail to show a definite benefit and we have other treatments that do. But hydroxychloroquine is a religion for some and everyone is an expert so flame away.
That is what happens when someone my age gets to the point they need a respirator. If I don't get to that point because I had intermediate treatment, I wouldn't be dead. Holding on to the Idea that these corrupt doctors don't have a financial motive for killing off treatments in the hope the Gates vaccine will enrich them is just head in the sand medicine.
actually the death rate on ventilator is around 25% and very few patients actually end up on the vent I do not have my head in the sand I assure you. i also do not drink every brand of koolaid that comes along
The point is HCQ is an old, old medication used in India like cough drops and telling doctors they can't administer it is political at best calculated fear mongering at worst. Not since AIDS was given civil rights has medicine been so corrupted.
Another doctor has kept his patients safe at home with steroid breathing treatments. Lot of things seem to help but the establishment has kept the frontline doctors from discovering alternatives to sending Covid to nursing homes where most deaths occurred.
Fauci now says no end in sight, well open it up anyway I will take my risks rather than destroy the country's economy and institutions.
on opening up i heartily agree with you
Very true.
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