Posted on 08/09/2020 2:11:22 PM PDT by familyop
The man didn’t deserve a beatdown, but he should have kept his mouth shut.
There is a huge difference between wrong and criminal.
But if there was a requirement to wear a mask in the establishment, then he was in his rights to complain to management, which he should have done, especially if the other guy and his girlfriend were staying there.
And I fully understand that certain people, especially a person in their seventies with likely co-morbidities are at higher risk. I think the sane option was for the elderly veteran to keep his mask on if he thought that helped him, and to report the event to the hotel.
That said, I hope that scummy POS goes to jail for assaulting that guy, but being Washington State, there is no telling what is and isn't law there these days.
I hate...no, despise what this mask crap is doing to our country.
I spent the past week up in Northern Maine, a pretty conservative part of the country to my eyes. There are Trump flags and signs, and none of the putrid Black Lives Matter signs.
People wear masks...or they don't. People don't go around chastising others. If a store or restaurant requires masks, people either wear them and go in, or they don't. If you walk down the street without a mask, you don't even get a second look.
They let people be adults about it, people mind their own business, and everything is fine.
As I came back south, we stopped in a larger town. There was a significant uptick in Black Lives Matter signs, and people were all wearing masks walking down the street, to me, hallmarks of Leftism.
My wife wanted to shop, so I grabbed a folding chair from the car and went down to a walking path through a field near the waterfront, and relaxed. With no mask, ten feet from the path that was sparsely travelled by people, surfing the Internet.
Two women walked by and one of them said to me that I should be wearing a mask, which made my blood pressure spike, but I just looked back and ignored them.
Then, after an hour or two, my wife called and said she had the car waiting, so I packed up and walked back to meet her.
As I was putting my gear in the back of my Subaru Forester, I heard a voice ask me if I were a veteran. I was wearing my military ball cap, and I turned and said cordially "Ex-military" to the large bearded man and his obese wife.
He said, "You're a veteran, what are you doing driving a Japanese car?"
I was dumbfounded and stared back-I was so surprised I think my mouth may have opened and closed, and before I could sputter out a response, his morbidly fat wife said "You should support American workers!"
Now, had I not been so astonished and surprised, I might have said "I don't recall asking you for your opinion" or something like that, but when I got my voice back, I said "What, you have never bought anything from a foreign country? Never bought anything from Japan or China before?" but she turned her back and dismissively waved her hand at me.
I was boiling mad, and I can't remember what came out of my mouth after that because I am a bit of a hot head, and I think I may have said something like "You should just mind your own business, you piece of s**t!" but she was already following her bearded companion away.
It took me about two hours to come back to earth after that, but the thing is, I have plenty of reasons I purchased a Japanese car, including shopping for value, and not wanting a single cent of my money to benefits the a-hole automotive unions who fund Leftists, but...that is beside the point.
The point is, I think this mask crap has given people of all stripes the feeling it is their right to intrude in the business of their fellow citizens, and the same personality that on one side feels justified in spouting off to a total stranger about wearing a mask has made inroads into enabling others who feel they are justified in doing the same with regard to anything they damn near please.
I keep my nose out of other people's business unless they are doing something illegal or grossly impolite, and I assume that other Americans would do the same. After yesterday, I think that is no longer true.
And I think is an insidious corruption of the freedoms we have traditionally had as Americans.
All of this is my opinion, and I am still a little hot under the collar. I understand others might feel differently.
Yes. It’s interesting to read the change in the population through social media, too. The latest couple of generations are most interesting. Compared to the early ‘70s and before, the local crime reports show quite a contrast.
That makes a difference. If a proprietor requires a mask for entry, you wear one, or go elsewhere. I don't have an issue with that.
Totally agree.
Texas is know for being friendly and good neighbors.
“Leave us alone to live our lives in peace and we’ll get along fine, if that is not satisfactory, we’ll deal with it.” (smile)
There is a message to all here. Mind your own business or be prepared for whatever consequences including violence.
I have a parallel in my life that bothers me.
I work in a hospital, and the hospital a few years back mandated with large signs that smoking is prohibited on the premises anywhere. I never smoked, but never had issues with people who do (since every member of my eight person family smoked at one time or another growing up, except me) and always just...tolerated it with no problem. I figured it was their life, not mine (if second hand smoke is an issue, I already have several lifetimes worth, so...it doesn't impact me) But my hospital put up signs, and that was the rule. And I have zero problem with that rule, because as we all know, there are people who go there who have terrible respiratory conditions that tobacco smoke can aggravate. The problem for me was, as a long time employee, I felt...obliged...obliged to tell people to stop smoking outside the Emergency Room. There were signs everywhere. Those are the rules, and by nature, I am generally a 'rule follower'. When I would walk by the Emergency Room, there were always people outside smoking. Always, sometimes as they stood right in front of one of the many prominent signs...and I felt the impulse to say something. But how could I? How could I say something to someone whose loved one might be right inside those doors with their life slipping away? How the hell could I go up to someone and tell them to stop smoking? I felt anger at the person smoking for 'breaking the clear and justified rules' that were prominently posted, but when I thought of that man smoking the cigarette being married to a woman inside who was fighting for her life...well, that always seemed more important to me. So, I couldn't tell people to stop smoking, and never did. I began to feel anger at the hospital for putting me in that situation, and while it never rose to a major thing, I felt that pang constantly when I walked out to go to my car. A few months ago, as I walked in past the ER, I noticed the "No Smoking" signs were gone. All of them. Either someone else felt the same silent conflict I did, or someone had a major row with a smoker whose loved one was in crisis inside the ER. Either way, I am glad it was not me involved.
It’s not wise to get into aggression with other drivers, too, even if they messed up. If you want to be aggressive with strangers, you are risking a fight. That is a fact of life. I don’t feel sorry for you if you get the fight you are looking for.
I agree that his behavior was inappropriate, and he should be arrested and fined/sued-but it is also stupid to run around scolding complete strangers the way liberals do-it is inappropriate and rude-I have a Latin temper-kept under control, as is proper and civilized-but last week, I did flip off a masked and scolding Karen in the local grocery store, telling her to vete a la chin*** as I walked past 7-8 ft away-she wisely shut up...
I really don’t think anyone else is responsible for what someone might or might not do to their girlfriend/spouse/anyone else in private who upsets them-that is none of my business at all, and I’m not a Karen...
I have a parallel in my life that bothers me.
I work in a hospital, and the hospital a few years back mandated with large signs that smoking is prohibited on the premises anywhere. I never smoked, but never had issues with people who do (since every member of my eight person family smoked at one time or another growing up, except me) and always just...tolerated it with no problem. I figured it was their life, not mine (if second hand smoke is an issue, I already have several lifetimes worth, so...it doesn't impact me)
But my hospital put up signs, and that was the rule. And I have zero problem with that rule, because as we all know, there are people who go there who have terrible respiratory conditions that tobacco smoke can aggravate.
The problem for me was, as a long time employee, I felt...obliged...obliged to tell people to stop smoking outside the Emergency Room. There were signs everywhere. Those are the rules, and by nature, I am generally a 'rule follower'.
When I would walk by the Emergency Room, there were always people outside smoking. Always, sometimes as they stood right in front of one of the many prominent signs...and I felt the impulse to say something.
But how could I? How could I say something to someone whose loved one might be right inside those doors with their life slipping away? How the hell could I go up to someone and tell them to stop smoking? I felt anger at the person smoking for 'breaking the clear and justified rules' that were prominently posted, but when I thought of that man smoking the cigarette being married to a woman inside who was fighting for her life...well, that always seemed more important to me.
So, I couldn't tell people to stop smoking, and never did. I began to feel anger at the hospital for putting me in that situation, and while it never rose to a major thing, I felt that pang constantly when I walked out to go to my car.
A few months ago, as I walked in past the ER, I noticed the "No Smoking" signs were gone. All of them.
Either someone else felt the same silent conflict I did, or someone had a major row with a smoker whose loved one was in crisis inside the ER. Either way, I am glad it was not me involved.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. For decades the marxists have done an effective job of pushing God out of society, with the value of human life declining as a result.
“vete a la chin***”
Had to look that up. Learn something new everyday...
I agree that this mask and distance s*** has raised the rudeness level to annoying proportions-especially among the nannies, who are using the mask issue to be as rude as they can get away with-I’ve been polite and nice, but I did finally tell a Karen off last week. I’m an “old” person-a healthy one who has a job and lives an organic, natural lifestyle-I did likely have the Wunhan virus in March-took natural remedies and was down less than a week-and no, I haven’t been wearing a mask-not required in my county, so almost no one does-there are not many people out here anyway...
The criminal and his girlfriend should respect their elders. There have been many similar attacks over the past couple of months with tens of thousands of criminal personalities instigating them online. The old man should have been prepared to shoot any punk who tried to attack him.
I’ve driven a Japanese car, too. It was assembled in the U.S.A. Some of the American cars are assembled in China or Mexico. A negative comment about my car from a stranger on the street wouldn’t bother me at all. Might get a grin from me at the most.
Choose life!
IIRC the story said the camera showed the old guy was sitting in the hallway, and made his comment to the couple as they walked on by. The thug came back minutes later and beat the old guy. Guess he didn’t want to do it in front of his girlfriend, but was ignorant of the camera.
Lots of things irritate me, but I have to stay calm and levelheaded. Something that irritated me today: meeting a tight pack of tough looking bikers (which is a good way for a deer to take out multiple riders) hugging the centerline on the Natchez Trace parkway. A couple of them had their tires in the paint. Idiots.
On and off the road, I have on many occasions come to a rapid boil, said or done things I normally wouldn't do, and deeply regretted it.
I have had my own share of road rage incidents, tailgating, playing chicken, etc.
When I was a young man, a guy pulled out in front of me unexpectedly causing me to spin out and end up in a snow bank. In astonishment, I turned to see him flip the bird at me! I ended up getting out of that snow bank, running him down to where he was stopped at a busy intersection, and jumped out of my car while it was still moving and it ran into the back of his car.
When the guy got out, I grabbed him by the lapel with one hand, and reared my fist back with the other hand to slug him as he babbled incoherently.
He was pointing at something with his eyes bugging out, and I realized I had gone down a one way street by accident and he thought I was turning into his street as people who deliberately went down that street occasionally did. We ended up being able to talk and shook hands, but all these years (35) later, I still think of that. Who knows what would have happened. I could have injured or killed him with a punch and gone to jail. My life would have turned out so differently.
I have made a concerted effort with some success to master my temper. I have managed to be able to drive without getting overly angry at some transgression by another driver. Tailgating used to drive me mad, but now, I can, with good nature, just pull over.
I am only a few years behind that poor vet who was beaten up, but I have been better at this for some years now, and I am constantly on guard against backsliding. It is ongoing, as my experience yesterday shows. I should have governed my tongue and walked away.
But I try.
Spanish is my 2nd language, so I think my saying it in that language has more vulgar emphasis than saying it in English-everybody can say GFY in English-and that Karen knew what I said-either from my accompanying gesture, or because she also speaks Spanish-about 50% of people here do-either way, her look of shock gave me a wicked sense of satisfaction...
I agree completely with that post of yours...
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