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1 posted on 07/09/2020 8:05:23 AM PDT by Stravinsky
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The case at hand has to do with tribal law enforcement?

But this could set precedents in other areas. If much of Oklahoma is really legally considered an Indian reservation, that could have implications in other legal matters as well.


2 posted on 07/09/2020 8:07:41 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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SO with McGirt, did anyone mention that McGirt was convicted of raping a 4-year-old?
He was challenging his conviction on the grounds that the Indian Tribe should’ve had jurisdiction.

So the Supreme Court just gave away half of a US State to protect a pedophile?


4 posted on 07/09/2020 8:09:59 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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Why should the Government make treaties with Indians if they aren't going to break them?

That is what the Federal Government does best.

6 posted on 07/09/2020 8:10:36 AM PDT by KC_Lion
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Does this limit prosecution of crimes that take place at casinos?


7 posted on 07/09/2020 8:11:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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possession used to be 9/10 s of the law...

to the victor, go the spoils.

i wonder how this will play out... i wonder what the odds in the casinos in oklahoma are running.


8 posted on 07/09/2020 8:11:31 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world)
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Going to be hard to prosecute that fraudulent Indian voting.

“The 3000 registered voters on the reservation cast 25000 votes for the Democrat candidate.”


9 posted on 07/09/2020 8:12:51 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were two crappy picks. Which should have been obvious by their being touted by the RINO Establishment Federalist Society and the RINO 3/4s of our elected officials.


10 posted on 07/09/2020 8:12:56 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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I am beginning to feel like I am a native American Indian. I’m beginning to feel a bit like E. Warren.

I’m a black native American lesbian female with a Hispanic surname and Indian hair due. What can I get for free?


11 posted on 07/09/2020 8:13:08 AM PDT by Red6
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If I understand this case correctly, an Indian committed a crime and was tried by the Oklahoma State Courts.

SCOTUS now says that is a no-no. The Indian must be tried by Indian Courts.

If that is the SCOTUS reasoning, then if a Foreigner commits are crime in the USA, do we have to send the Foreigner back to their country to be tried?


12 posted on 07/09/2020 8:15:06 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Of course! Why didn’t I think of that? Black Lives Matter... Put THEM on reservations. There’s a precedent for it. Confine black crime to black people. White crime to white people. Never the twain shall meet.


13 posted on 07/09/2020 8:15:26 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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If all that land is truly Reservation land, does the state of Oklahoma have any right to tax it? I would think not.


16 posted on 07/09/2020 8:16:04 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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It was tried in the wrong court. Go back to go....

But then....what about double jeopardy.

27 posted on 07/09/2020 8:27:48 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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this is just a very small step away from the court deciding that the land must be “returned to its rightful owners” (which the court will characterize as the Indian tribes). if the laws of your state don’t apply (or can’t be enforced) in your town, then there’s no remaining sovereignty in a practical sense

and your land ownership/title is recognized, upheld, and supposedly defended by your state and its sovereignty, power to enforce its laws

for instance, there’s a state law against trespassers walking across your lawn. there’s a state law against squatters moving into your house without your permission. these are state laws. now that the state of Oaklahoma can’t enfoce its laws in all of these cities, towns, communities, and regions, ... where does this leave your property rights?

we will find out soon, at least by the time of the next court decision


28 posted on 07/09/2020 8:28:01 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, theyÂ’re excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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Does that mean the Cherokee get to start buying and selling slaves again?


39 posted on 07/09/2020 8:37:20 AM PDT by seowulf
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The Federal Government needs to give the Confederate States their property back.


41 posted on 07/09/2020 8:39:08 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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Relax. I live in Oklahoma. When the late Wilma Mankiller, God rest her soul, was Chief of the Cherokee nation, she removed the blood quantum requirement for Cherokees, so that she could get more government help for her people. (Most tribes have a requirement that in order to be a tribal member, you must have at least 25% Indian blood). So now, anyone with a tiny, provable amount of Cherokee blood -— and I mean tiny -— is entitled to be a member of the Cherokee Nation. So, overnight, a huge number of Oklahomans (as well as anywhere else in the U.S.) suddenly were considered Cherokee. And while many traditional American Indians vote democrat, Oklahoma is a politically red state, and most of its “Cherokees” are mostly white, and vote Republican. And that’s not going to change. (And BTW, a lot of democrats here, Indian or not, are new Trump converts, this time around).


45 posted on 07/09/2020 8:43:15 AM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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How many square inches of America will be left after this takes its natural course?


46 posted on 07/09/2020 8:43:42 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no merit in compromising with the Devil.)
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Oddly enough, this is a ruling I would expect from a truly conservative court.

My logic is that the Bureau of Indian Affairs is the “dead raccoon under the back porch” of federal agencies. And neither the Democrats nor Republican liberals have been willing to deal with the it or any of the other legal cesspits within the government. They are too messy, take too much thought, and their degree of difficulty means that only conservatives have the brains and guts to tackle them.

But there is no way to treat the long infected wound than first to remove the old encrusted, dirty bandage covering it.

So what of this case? Simply put, even before this decision, half of OK was Indian territory in the law, however not enforced or applied. This decision just removes the old bandage and points this out.

To fix the problem is not the SCOTUS problem, but that of the congress and President.

And expect to see more of this in the future. Such decisions are neither left or right, but they are absolutely necessary to get US law back on track.

But neither conservative nor liberal commentators will notice.


53 posted on 07/09/2020 8:53:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All men and women were created by the, you know, you know, the thing.” -- Joe Biden 3/3/20)
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What does the law say about it all?

Gorsuch writes that the Indian Reservation exists, by acts of Congress. The applicable laws by congress, in dealing with Indian tribes, are controlling.

Oklahoma claims, we are controlling cuz the reservation was given back to the state, but points to no actual law. Just common understanding.

Roberts writes the same thing. precedent shows we can do what we want to keep the peace. REGARDLESS of how the law reads.

Surprisingly, even Thomas goes with the precedent thing about “intent”.

I’m with Gorsuch on this. Written law is controlling. Congressional “intent” (remember “hanging chads”) is nothing. Vague law is no law at all. Words have meaning.


61 posted on 07/09/2020 8:59:48 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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If I live on an Indian reservation am I now exempt from paying Federal income tax?


62 posted on 07/09/2020 9:01:09 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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