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Florida police officers resign from SWAT unit, say they feel 'restrained by politicization of our tactics'
The Hill ^ | 06/13/2020 | Marty Johnson

Posted on 06/13/2020 1:11:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Texas Eagle

And your thought is based on how much street time or experience.

On one part, I agree about the over use of no knock warrants. However, on the subject of SWAT teams, I don’t. Serving warrants, either arrest or search, in some situations is not just dangerous, it can be deadly to those doing it especially of they are in an inferior position to the alleged perps. Do away with these specialized units and more than one copper will opt for clocking out standing than the potential of lying in an ER.


21 posted on 06/13/2020 2:07:56 PM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Restoring posse commitatus by giving up militarized police positions.. yeah, right.


22 posted on 06/13/2020 2:12:43 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Ephesians 6... who you are really at war with)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good! SWAT teams are a menace to our free society. SWAT was the genesis to the militarization of police and is the reason we have arrived at the conflict we have today.


23 posted on 06/13/2020 2:14:20 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: SeekAndFind
Keep it up CNN. Pretty soon there will be no one available to protect your headquartered in Atlanta. That would be a shame,
24 posted on 06/13/2020 2:17:05 PM PDT by Chgogal (Wuhan Virus, Chinese Virus, Kung Fu Virus - Wuhan Chinese Kung Fu Virus aka CCP virus.)
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To: Mouton
And your thought is based on how much street time or experience. On one part, I agree about the over use of no knock warrants. However, on the subject of SWAT teams, I don’t. Serving warrants, either arrest or search, in some situations is not just dangerous, it can be deadly to those doing it especially of they are in an inferior position to the alleged perps. Do away with these specialized units and more than one copper will opt for clocking out standing than the potential of lying in an ER.“

It’s a wonder how this nation survived almost 200 years without SWAT teams.

25 posted on 06/13/2020 2:22:14 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: ExGeeEye

Are you jealous or merely an asshole?

CC


26 posted on 06/13/2020 2:29:40 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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To: precisionshootist

I can see both sides of the SWAT team and no knock issue.

But the bottom line is this—we are about to see a replay of the Ferguson Effect, where the cops simply refuse to enter risky situations in a timely manner when they know the bosses don’t have their back.

The donut and coffee shops should do a booming business.

(Every academic expert denies the Ferguson Effect exists—but it is as real as the sun rising in the morning and the sun setting in the evening.)


27 posted on 06/13/2020 2:33:41 PM PDT by cgbg (Kneeling is a half measure--lefties need to dig a six foot hole and bury themselves in it.)
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To: cgbg

where the cops simply refuse to enter risky situations in a timely manner when they know the bosses don’t have their back.
= = = = = = = = = =
Understandable BUT if they get that attitude, may be time to consider a new career.

Doesn’t take a whole lot quitting for the message to be heard BUT as long as the community still votes the same clowns back in office the problem will linger on.

Of course taking away the Police right to defend themselves also solves nothing but will end up getting people killed so one has to draw the line to where if one gets killed, are they committing suicide - in a manner of speaking..

Then again, ‘they’ have been taking OUR right to defend ourselves, one chink at a time WITH the PD enforcing it


28 posted on 06/13/2020 2:51:57 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: Travis McGee

I like that meme!


29 posted on 06/13/2020 3:06:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: cgbg
I can see both sides of the SWAT team and no knock issue. But the bottom line is this—we are about to see a replay of the Ferguson Effect, where the cops simply refuse to enter risky situations in a timely manner when they know the bosses don’t have their back. The donut and coffee shops should do a booming business. (Every academic expert denies the Ferguson Effect exists—but it is as real as the sun rising in the morning and the sun setting in the evening.)“

Unfortunately there is a hidden truth in the otherwise fake BLM agenda. The truth is the police are not racists using excessive on blacks. The police are using excessive force on everyone. Since the advent of SWAT the police have morphed from peace officers who trust citizens and see members of the community as the boss to whom they serve to “law enforcers” ( emphasis on force) who see themselves as soldiers with citizens being threats.

The real problem is so few people can see the truth.

The police are at war with the people. Notice I said police not individual officers.

At this point the only way to stop this warrior mindset of law enforcement is to take away the ability to make war. That starts with getting rid of no knock warrants and SWAT teams. Next ban police from possesion of ANY military weapons and equipment. That includes AR15s, M16s, flash bang grenades, and on and on. Lastly police should never wear any color other than blue.

We can keep our country safe with peace officers who trust the public and are appropriately equipped with civilian only weapons ( pistols, shotguns and non military rifles).

30 posted on 06/13/2020 3:09:01 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: cgbg
I can see both sides of the SWAT team and no knock issue. But the bottom line is this—we are about to see a replay of the Ferguson Effect, where the cops simply refuse to enter risky situations in a timely manner when they know the bosses don’t have their back. The donut and coffee shops should do a booming business. (Every academic expert denies the Ferguson Effect exists—but it is as real as the sun rising in the morning and the sun setting in the evening.)“

Unfortunately there is a hidden truth in the otherwise fake BLM agenda. The truth is the police are not racists using excessive on blacks. The police are using excessive force on everyone. Since the advent of SWAT the police have morphed from peace officers who trust citizens and see members of the community as the boss to whom they serve to “law enforcers” ( emphasis on force) who see themselves as soldiers with citizens being threats.

The real problem is so few people can see the truth.

The police are at war with the people. Notice I said police not individual officers.

At this point the only way to stop this warrior mindset of law enforcement is to take away the ability to make war. That starts with getting rid of no knock warrants and SWAT teams. Next ban police from possesion of ANY military weapons and equipment. That includes AR15s, M16s, flash bang grenades, and on and on. Lastly police should never wear any color other than blue.

We can keep our country safe with peace officers who trust the public and are appropriately equipped with civilian only weapons ( pistols, shotguns and non military rifles).

31 posted on 06/13/2020 3:11:25 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

I mostly agree with your post, but I am going to suggest a few things that deserve argument.

First, while this may not apply universally to all police departments, I would not send police into areas where they are outgunned, and in many places, tactical rifles would be the only way to match the gangs.

Second, most police do not receive the level of training SWAT trained police get. So call them SWAT or something else, I think that training is important for police to master if they are going into gunfights. Maybe they should not be sent out as SWAT teams, but SWAT officers can help solve difficult shooter problems quickly and with minimum loss of civilian life.

But overall, yes, police are no longer part of the community in most areas, but instead are at odds with the people, always apprehensive and necessarily, in many cases, suspicious of the people they are supposed to protect.


32 posted on 06/13/2020 3:25:45 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Magnum44

Because Police Departments have become Feminized, which drove away good people from wanting to be Cops. So you get what is leftover.


33 posted on 06/13/2020 3:27:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Well, feminizing (which is really politicizing) wasn’t what I was referring to. My observation has more to do which societal changes over the last 50+ years. We’re are not Mayberry any more. We rarely know the officer we might walk past on the street, and the officers are jaded because most calls are to handle ugly situations with mostly trash citizens. So it’s not surprising they have itchy trigger fingers. Even more so with what’s going on now and being thrown under the bus by the mayors and governors. There are a few who go into the field because they like to ‘bust heads’ and those should be weeded out, but most are just trying to do a job, go home at night, and maybe be a positive influence. Just like most who serve in the military.


34 posted on 06/13/2020 3:36:03 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Magnum44

It started with Police Departments wanting to get in line with the “Mainstream of 20th Century Thought”.


35 posted on 06/13/2020 3:41:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Having a time changing or un-anchored set of moral values is never good for institutions.


36 posted on 06/13/2020 3:46:11 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: GOPJ
You want to know if the enforcers could put us on trains and ship us off to death camps? You betcha they could...

No. Knew that long ago. I want to see what other good people are going to do about the Dems and other leftists near them.

37 posted on 06/13/2020 3:48:01 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: gibsonguy

“Our Republic and its Press will Rise or Fall Together”

—Jos. Pulitzer


38 posted on 06/13/2020 4:44:29 PM PDT by Does so (Neo-Venezuelans = Democrats = Rioters = Looters)
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To: CodeToad

Found it at the new WRSA home.

westernrifleshooters.us


39 posted on 06/13/2020 4:51:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GOPJ

That “US” is
fairly well Armed
at this point.


40 posted on 06/13/2020 5:31:32 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (He Hath Not Given Us A Spirit Of Fear)
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