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White kids, racism and the way privileged parenting props up an unjust system (must-read barf alert: "maybe parents should decide to be good citizens over being good parents")
NBC News ^ | January 2, 2019 | Noah Berlatsky

Posted on 06/07/2020 8:14:07 PM PDT by DoodleBob

This past October, my son and his classmates lobbied their small private school to change the official holiday of Columbus Day to Native People's Day. My son wrote a short letter to the faculty explaining why they shouldn't celebrate white imperialism, and that native peoples were too often ignored or erased or pushed to the side in discussions of American history. Some parents didn't like the change, but the teachers and administration were supportive, and they changed the name.

As you'd imagine, my wife and I were very proud. We’d hoped to teach our son anti-racism, and here he was doing anti-racist activism in his own small way. We were glad we'd sent him to a school that encouraged kids to speak up, and was open to change.

One of our ongoing societal challenges will be figuring out ways to move beyond individual education and address the root issues of inequality — and our role in upholding them.

At the same time, though, the school is a private school. Sending kids to private school is an option you only have if you have a certain amount of money. In paying for him to go to that school, we were at least partially abetting a system that benefits more affluent people. And affluent people in the U.S. are often (though not always) white. We sent our son to a school that taught and encouraged anti-racism. But teaching people to be anti-racist doesn't necessarily address the structure of racism itself. In fact, racist structures often determine who does and does not have access to these kinds of educational opportunities. One of our ongoing societal challenges will be figuring out ways to move beyond individual education and address the root issues of inequality — and our role in upholding them.

Margaret Hagerman, a sociologist at Mississippi State University, talks about these difficult contradictions in her book, “White Kids: Growing Up With Privilege In a Racially Divided America.” Hagerman spent two years with 30 families in a midwestern city observing affluent white parents and their children and interviewing both groups about race and racism. She babysat, took kids to activities and listened in the car as they gossiped. Some kids claimed that black students in their schools sold drugs and were dangerous. Others talked about ways in which black friends were unfairly singled out for punishment, or even had their bathroom access restricted.

Hagerman found important differences in the ways that parents talked to their children about race, and important differences in the ways that kids responded. But she also found that white parents — even anti-racist white parents — actively reproduce inequality.

Hagerman found important differences in the ways that parents talked to their children about race, and important differences in the ways that kids responded.

It may seem like there's already more than enough writing about white children. After all, the vast majority of children's literature is about white kids. But, Hagerman told me by phone, "while there is a lot of writing about white kids, there is not a lot from a critical race perspective. Much of the developmental psychology literature uses white kids as the sample, but doesn't interrogate what whiteness means or how it situates them in society." White children are everywhere, but their whiteness is effectively invisible and unspoken.

Some parents, Hagerman found, preferred to keep race unspoken. Families she interviewed in a wealthy, conservative suburb, for example, tended to avoid the topic of race with their children. "They adhered to a color blind way of thinking," Hagerman told me. "They would say that race doesn't matter, or that we're beyond race." One girl told Hagerman that in her school, they weren't even allowed to say the word "racist" — it was on a list of forbidden words that also included homophobic, sexist, and racist slurs.

Kids from these families were so worried about being labeled racist that they were reluctant to identify people as black or white. Yet, obviously, the children could see racial differences — and when pressed they would sometimes say things that were racist. Hagerman reports white children telling her that black children got in trouble in school because of the way they were raised. One 12-year-old white child told Hagerman that police treat white people worse than black people — an argument contradicted by a mountain of evidence.

People who identified as more politically liberal were much more willing to acknowledge the existence of racism, and to talk to their children about it. Many of these parents identified as specifically anti-racist, and were determined to teach their kids to work against bigotry and inequality. Parents encouraged their kids to do charitable work, for example, both in their own communities and on (expensive) overseas trips.

Yet, as Hagerman told me, "all of these families in their own ways were participating in the reproduction of racial inequality." Children were sent to private school, or when they went to public school benefited from private tutors or enrichment classes. Even community service can reproduce racist ideas. It's hard to see people as equals when you always have power over them, or when your primary experience with them involves giving them charity.

The spectacle of well-intentioned people working, half unconsciously, to solidify and perpetuate their own power is not an encouraging one. "I feel like my findings are pretty dismal," Hagerman admits. "When you have people who have a lot of wealth alongside this racial privilege, they're ultimately making decision that benefit their own kids, and I don't know how you really interrupt that."

Hagerman’s findings do offer at least one glimmer of hope. White children, she found, don't automatically reproduce the racial ideology of their parents. One white boy she interviewed, for example, disliked his private school in part because he felt the children were too privileged and too racially isolated.

On the other hand, children of anti-racist parents would sometimes use racist stereotypes or make racist comments. Kids aren't copies of their parents, which means as a society they can become better…or worse. "I don't want to paint this as, 'we're all going to be okay because of the kids!'" Hagerman told me. But the possibility for change is at least potentially positive.

As for white adults, Hagerman says, if they really want a less racist world, they may need to rethink how they approach parenting. "Everyone is trying to do the best for their kid," she says. "But I actually think that there are times when maybe the best interest of your own kid isn't actually the best choice. Ultimately, being a good citizen sometimes conflicts with being good parents. And sometimes maybe parents should decide to be good citizens over being good parents." That could mean voting to raise taxes so to better fund public schools. Maybe in our case it should have meant choosing a public school rather than a private one.

Of course, as a parent, you want the best possible future for your child. But the best possible future should include a society that isn't organized around racism. Hagerman's book is a careful, painful and convincing argument that when white people give their children advantages, they are often disadvantaging others. Racism is so hard to overturn, in part, because white people prop it up when they work to make sure their children succeed.


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This article is 18 months old but it provides an insight into the mind of how this lot things. The linchpin is this:

"But I actually think that there are times when maybe the best interest of your own kid isn't actually the best choice. Ultimately, being a good citizen sometimes conflicts with being good parents. And sometimes maybe parents should decide to be good citizens over being good parents."

So....who gets to decide what makes a "good citizen" and who gets to decide when parent's decisions should be overridden by 'society'?

1 posted on 06/07/2020 8:14:07 PM PDT by DoodleBob
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To: DoodleBob

Oh, a PRIVATE skool libber al

G just too good for the public schools are you Noah

Why? Too many people who don’t look like your kid?

Fun hypocrite


2 posted on 06/07/2020 8:16:10 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Check out George Floyd's rap sheet "Turning his life around" Yeah, riiiiight)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Private school ! These entitled folks make me sick.


3 posted on 06/07/2020 8:21:44 PM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I assumed the article would end with the big lefty
Noah Berlatsky putting his kid into public school and paying private school tuition for a random black child.

I assumed wrong.


4 posted on 06/07/2020 8:22:10 PM PDT by CaptainK ('No collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker')
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To: DoodleBob
One white boy she interviewed, for example, disliked his private school in part because he felt the children were too privileged and too racially isolated.

I call bullshit, kids don't talk like this. Brain dead leftists with talking points do.
5 posted on 06/07/2020 8:23:55 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: DoodleBob

I am not reading anything from THIS.

6 posted on 06/07/2020 8:24:07 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: DoodleBob

Obama sent his kids to a ritzy private school in DC.


7 posted on 06/07/2020 8:24:15 PM PDT by DeplorablePaul (s)
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To: DoodleBob

That reminds me of the stickers I used to see around town when I was in college.

“Busing is good business.
Invest your daughter”


8 posted on 06/07/2020 8:25:03 PM PDT by PAR35
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[This past October, my son and his classmates lobbied their small private school to change the official holiday of Columbus Day to Native People’s Day. My son wrote a short letter to the faculty explaining why they shouldn’t celebrate white imperialism, and that native peoples were too often ignored or erased or pushed to the side in discussions of American history.]


If they were sincere, they’d return to the lands of their ancestors instead of attacking the people who made it possible for them to live here.


9 posted on 06/07/2020 8:25:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: DoodleBob

“But I actually think that there are times when maybe the best interest of your own kid isn’t actually the best choice. Ultimately, being a good citizen sometimes conflicts with being good parents. And sometimes maybe parents should decide to be good citizens over being good parents.””

Yeah, that makes sense...to Stalin and Hitler. Never is American history has anyone said that being a good parent was not 100% parallel with being a good citizen. Freaking bolsheviks.


10 posted on 06/07/2020 8:25:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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And when someone called him on it, his response was “well, I can afford it”.

Total POS.


11 posted on 06/07/2020 8:26:14 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

12 posted on 06/07/2020 8:26:15 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Prison for the deep state, it's what's on the menu tonight!)
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To: DoodleBob

“People who identified as more politically liberal were much more willing to acknowledge the existence of racism...”

Because “politically liberal” people in this country have a monopoly on racism. It takes one to know one.


13 posted on 06/07/2020 8:29:04 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: DoodleBob
Much of the developmental psychology literature uses white kids as the sample, but doesn't interrogate what whiteness means or how it situates them in society." White children are everywhere, but their whiteness is effectively invisible and unspoken.

What does this garbage even mean??

14 posted on 06/07/2020 8:29:07 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: DoodleBob

Communistic


15 posted on 06/07/2020 8:33:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: DoodleBob
So....who gets to decide what makes a "good citizen" and who gets to decide when parent's decisions should be overridden by 'society'?

The experts.

'Trust the experts. Believe the science.'

16 posted on 06/07/2020 8:33:47 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: Trillian
One white boy she interviewed, for example, disliked his private school in part because he felt the children were too privileged and too racially isolated.

Total fabrication.

17 posted on 06/07/2020 8:36:24 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: DoodleBob

Some “guys” are deserving of a forced vasectomy.


18 posted on 06/07/2020 8:36:25 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: DoodleBob

Hey Hagerman!
A cultures of 5,000 years beats a culture of a hundred years.
Hands down!

Negroes will be inferior as long as they are trapped in “Black culture” by the media and the Dems.

The unchanging precept of the Dems is that Negroes are racially unable to participate in a culture that stretches to Herodotus.


19 posted on 06/07/2020 8:38:05 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: DoodleBob

..... You can always tell who the racists are .... They’re the ones always talking about Race ......


20 posted on 06/07/2020 8:38:20 PM PDT by R_Kangel ("A nation of sheep will beget a nation ruled by wolves")
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