Posted on 06/01/2020 3:23:03 PM PDT by Valpal1
... a private autopsy conducted by two doctors found he died of asphyxia, which happens which pressure is placed on certain parts of the body, limiting the flow of oxygen to the brain and shutting down organs.
Hours later, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a new report saying that he died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
The medical examiner's report also listed "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease," "fentanyl intoxication" and "recent methamphetamine use" as "other significant conditions."
(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...
Ahh, yes. Perhaps the sunovabitch died from a vitamin E deficiency. That’ll get ya!
Who you gonna believe... Me or your lyin’ eyes?
> Couldn’t the mayor have him fired or stuck in career limbo? <
Good question. If I’m not mistaken, coroners are elected, but MEs are appointed. So now you have made the situation even more complicated!
But, but, fentanyl can't kill you.
/s
My basic point is that the cops may give the city ME a hard time if he refuses to cover up a legit criminal case against a cop, but it’s the mayor who can fire that ME for not handing the cop’s head to him on a platter, even if there is no case.
If he upgrades it to 1st degree Murder he’d have to prove that Chauvin pre-conceived, and pre-planned the murder of Floyd that day, and that would be impossible to prove.
Well I hope he didn't purchase that crap with counterfeit bills, because then some drug dealer would have killed him anyway. Or maybe he got the counterfeit bill as change from the dealer when he bought the stuff. Wouldn't surprise me. They might have figured he was too stupid to realize it.
I might die, possibly. the issue is the carotid artery. Knelling on someone’s neck, and the other side of the neck being on pavement can cut off the supply from both the left/right or strongly impede the flow, like a choke hold, which, if you keep applying it ends in death, but NOT from standard denial of air - you loose blood flow.
As a result, you might be able to SHOUT I can’t breathe even though you can, because your body KNOWs there is an oxygen problem - like someone who has lung problems they feel than cannot breathe but they cam move air in/out.
But you did’t want a factional answer probably....
[Good question. If I’m not mistaken, coroners are elected, but MEs are appointed. So now you have made the situation even more complicated!]
And they are all members of public employee unions of one stripe or another.
Wouldn't there have been signs of that in his eyes via the autopsy? I tried to do a search using specific terms, but all I could come up with is occurrences when someone is alive.
The problem is videos can be very misleading.
Several people have claimed enormous pressure was applied to Georges neck. Others have said the technique does not require much pressure, there are several indicators in the video that little pressure is being applied, and that you cannot reliably determine the pressure from the video.
Now we have the "independent" doctor saying there is no evidence of pressure, because, well, there doesn't have to be any.
We have more and more exculpatory evidence piling up.
Remember all the claims that no police department in the country allowed such a restraint? They changed to "the restraint was not stopped at the right time" once the MPD policy allow the restraint was found on the MPD website.
There are now claims of long term heart disease, long term vascular disease, use of meth, use of fentanyl, and George was a smoker. All of that boosts the exculpatory claims.
There are claims George complained he could not breathe while standing up. That should be in a report somewhere. I will try to track it down. That is exculpatory, because the problem preceded the neck restraint.
George certainly acted impaired. The clerk noticed it, the police mentioned it, and now the ME is mentioning it.
All of that is exculpatory.
There is video evidence of George resisting arrest, both at first, and much more vigorously later, at the police attempt to put him in the squad.
It could certainly trigger heart failure; it is more exculpatory evidence for the police.
Remember how we were told, at first, that George was peaceful, and did not resist?
In short, there are now plenty of reasons to doubt the first narrative of police murdering an innocent, peaceful, man, in spite of the video.
The video could be showing murder, but it looks less and less likely.
He was a walking time bomb, and could have dropped dead at any time, especially if he was doing drugs regularly.
Floyd's death was the predictable outcome of holding the carotid compression hold for several minutes after he passed out. Blood pressure soars during a carotid compression hold and, if it is held too long, a biological cascading event failure follows in which lots of things go wrong at once and it's a race to see which of those kills the victim first.
IMO 40-50% of normal people would have died from if they had been subjected to a carotid compression hold as long as Floyd was, and almost all of them would have been the most vulnerable to that sort of cascading event failure.
It really doesn't matter what the immediate medical reason was for Floyd's death. What counts in both civil and criminal law was what the very first cororner's report concluded, that the improper duration of the cop's compression hold "contributed to" Floyd's death. That's all the prosecution team in the cop's murder/manslaughter trial need prove to satisfy the "causation" element of murder.
What people should be focusing on here is that Floyd was TAKEN OUT OF THE PATROL CAR and subjected to the carotid compression hold. I.e., he had ALREADY BEEN SUBDUED when he was placed into the patrol car.
So why was Floyd taken out of the patrol car?
An inference can certainly be drawn that he was removed from the patrol car to kill him, and that means a first degree murder charge is possible. Plus the other three oficers present are vulnerable to conspiracy to commit murder charges.
The issue of why Floyd was removed from the patrol car is far more important than the immediate medical cause of death. The immediate medical cause of death from being shot in the heart is heart failure - the heart stopped beating.
In a case like this, the autopsy needs to be above reproach, done by 2 different coroners and the results compared by the grand jury.
And police officers have no idea, and aren't privy to the medical health of a person they encounter. You can't even ask anyone because of HIPPA laws. When I worked in Corrections, we weren't even allowed to know if the convict we were transporting was HIV positive, had TB or any other contagious disease.
I believe that you have given an accurate summary of the directions given to the Police Officers of Minneapolis. And yes, the directions are insane.
It seems like a very dysfunctional organization to me. I note that rot starts at the top, and Police Chiefs are appointed, not elected.
The blame for this debacle rests with the current Mayor, the previous Mayor, and the political organization which placed them in office. No, I do not blame "voters". People who vote do not matter. The people who count the votes matter.
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