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Iranian Tankers To Reach Venezuela In Next 24 Hours Amid “Threat Of Imminent Military Force By US” (Sat Eve/Sun Morn)
USSA News ^ | 3-23-2020

Posted on 05/23/2020 3:11:06 PM PDT by blam

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To: Alberta's Child

No, it makes my point. To what international governmental body did Cuba (or Iran, or Venezuela) file a complaint to say it was illegal?

Other countries joined in or did not.


81 posted on 05/25/2020 6:44:36 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: NorseViking

Well, you know what they say about opinions.


82 posted on 05/25/2020 6:45:20 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Tallguy

I’d say to use SEAL teams to break the ships ability to navigate. No boarding needed.


83 posted on 05/25/2020 6:47:05 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel
I'm not sure I even understand your point, then.

Cuba would really have no basis to complain to any international body if the U.S. imposed an embargo against Cuba for U.S. trade. One country can't force another one to conduct business.

They would, however, have grounds to complain if the U.S. tried to enforce such an embargo on trade between Cuba and other countries.

84 posted on 05/25/2020 6:52:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Which is what we did.


85 posted on 05/25/2020 7:08:50 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel

Maybe I’m missing something. How exactly did the U.S. impose an embargo on trade between Cuba and other countries? I must have missed the newspaper headlines about the U.S. Navy blockade in Havana harbor.


86 posted on 05/25/2020 8:23:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: jdsteel

Heck the Chinese are already doing that. Weird stuff happening navigating some of their major rivers. Ships showing in the channel one minute, suddenly showing tied up at a warf the next. No explanation.


87 posted on 05/25/2020 10:33:50 AM PDT by Tallguy (Facts be d@mned! The narrative must be protected at all costs!))
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To: Alberta's Child

“ How exactly did the U.S. impose an embargo on trade between Cuba and other countries?”

Wow, you really are ignorant of both history and the meaning of the word “embargo”, aren’t you?

Yes, the US released pressure on the embargo after the first several years (thanks again Democrats). It that does not change the history and facts.

The embargo and sanctions against Venezuela and Iran are minty fresh, and Trump is POTUS.


88 posted on 05/26/2020 6:55:54 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: jdsteel
Don’t call me ignorant and then proceed to avoid answering my question, dude. I’ll make it simple: How did the U.S. embargo against Cuba have any impact and enforcement mechanisms for trade between Cuba and countries OTHER THAN the U.S.?

The U.S. embargo against Cuba was implemented through about a half-dozen Federal laws dating back to the early 1960s. Foreign countries like Canada, France and China aren’t subject to U.S. laws outside our borders.

I don’t give a sh!t about U.S. trade sanctions against Iran and Venezuela. I know those sanctions are in place, and are being enforced. My original question here was about what authority the U.S. has to force countries OTHER THAN the U.S. to impose the same sanctions we have on Iran and Venezuela?

89 posted on 05/26/2020 7:42:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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To: Alberta's Child

So you finally looked it up, and understand what an embargo is. Good for you. You are now less ignorant.

However you still can’t grasp the concept that it answers your question. We now have created an embargo on Venezuela.

It’s legal, too. Our President has said (I am paraphrasing) to the world “We are imposing Sanctions on these rogue nations due to their crimes. We will enforce those sanctions.”


90 posted on 05/26/2020 4:20:29 PM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: blam
Venezuela got/gets most of its gasoline from Curacao which is 40 miles across the water in the ABC (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao) islands. That is unless Curacao cut them off after Venezuela stopped selling them fresh fruit back in December and then banned Venezuelan citizens from entry and the floating markets because Venezuelan's were robbing the Curacao tourists ....

I was on Curacao for eight days back in mid-December and watched the tankers come and go from the resort we were staying in. One side of Curacao is a massive refinery, the other side resorts and natives.

What I wouldn't give to have a front row seat watching the Iranian tankers mysteriously blowing up as they approach Venezuela...

91 posted on 05/26/2020 4:31:59 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: jdsteel
I didn't need you to demonstrate what an embargo is. I am well aware of it.

It's legal, too. Our President has said (I am paraphrasing) to the world "We are imposing Sanctions on these rogue nations due to their crimes. We will enforce those sanctions."

I don't know what you mean by "legal." It's "legal" in the United States of America, but that's about it. Any other country in the world will say (I am paraphrasing): "That's nice. But your sanctions have nothing to do with us. We'll continue to trade with these 'rogue nations' as we see fit."

Did the U.S. embargo on Cuba stop any nation other than the U.S. from trading with Cuba? No. Even our largest trading partner (Canada) continued to do business with Cuba as usual.

92 posted on 05/26/2020 6:52:37 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("And somewhere in the darkness ... the gambler, he broke even.")
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Watch: Venezuela Sends Large Fighter Jet Escort For Tankers As Iran's Flag Flies Over Caracas
93 posted on 05/26/2020 8:26:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Any bets on how fast those Venezuelan jets would scatter as soon as an American fighter jet pops up on their radar? That is, if we allow them to see us coming.


94 posted on 05/27/2020 4:44:32 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Alberta's Child
Did the U.S. embargo on Cuba stop any nation other than the U.S. from trading with Cuba? No. Even our largest trading partner (Canada) continued to do business with Cuba as usual.

A lot of good that trade did for Cuba. They're still stuck in the 1950's and don't have an economy to speak of. You've clearly not seen how the Cuban people live. It's not good. Their illegitimate government leaders may be living well, the rest not so much.

And that's what good Canada did continuing to do business with Cuba.

95 posted on 05/27/2020 4:47:36 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Alberta's Child

1) Trump has made it clear that other nations can trade with the US or those countries...but not both. No contest.

2) When the Cuba embargo was new it was effective for most countries not named USSR. It took time and Democrat Presidents to wear that down to the joke it became. That was then, this is now.

Now do you understand?


96 posted on 05/27/2020 7:06:45 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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