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How a German court fired a shot that could unravel the EU
The Irish Times ^ | 2020-05-13 | Naomi O’Leary

Posted on 05/14/2020 11:32:50 AM PDT by cartan

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1 posted on 05/14/2020 11:32:50 AM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan

“The EU is not a state, and has no army, or national guard. Its enforcement powers are limited. Its legal order relies on the voluntary compliance of member states and their courts.”

ALWAYS REMEMBER..


2 posted on 05/14/2020 11:37:57 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberal employees at every election since 2008 because I enjoy seeing them cry)
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Germany is the Glue holding the EU together. If Germany’s commitment to the EU fades or worse, that will trigger the end of the EU.


3 posted on 05/14/2020 11:41:19 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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Didn’t the French President a year or so ago said the European Union needs to build an army to counter America?

Not sure where he thought that army was going to come from


4 posted on 05/14/2020 11:47:56 AM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dont point fingers at me I'm a small town white baroy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: cartan

“In a pithy 110-page judgment...”

PITHY, ADJ. - Forceful and brief

Well, they ARE Germans...


5 posted on 05/14/2020 11:48:02 AM PDT by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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To: max americana

That’s why the UK could leave but the southern states couldn’t leave the US. Might makes right.


6 posted on 05/14/2020 11:48:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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To: cartan

If even Germany is turning against the EU, then the EU is over. It would be like when Russia seceded from the Soviet Union.


7 posted on 05/14/2020 11:51:08 AM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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I do remember that but the krauts are a selfish buncha bastards. They’re pathetic trying to rival us..


8 posted on 05/14/2020 11:52:20 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberal employees at every election since 2008 because I enjoy seeing them cry)
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To: cuban leaf

Texas can..


9 posted on 05/14/2020 11:52:41 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberal employees at every election since 2008 because I enjoy seeing them cry)
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I agree

I can’t imagine them wanting to put in the money that would be required to build a formidable military


10 posted on 05/14/2020 11:53:42 AM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists dont point fingers at me I'm a small town white baroy Just tryin to make ends meet)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

“If Germany’s commitment to the EU fades or worse, that will trigger the end of the EU”

It’s already dead meat walking.

Brexit ensured that. Every country can see a way out now.


11 posted on 05/14/2020 11:55:56 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Or they could try just being a free trade association like the original Benelux group again.


12 posted on 05/14/2020 12:01:02 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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. . . counter America?

From what? Sending in troops to save their sorry arses?

13 posted on 05/14/2020 12:02:34 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: dp0622
Didn’t the French President a year or so ago said the European Union needs to build an army to counter America? Not sure where he thought that army was going to come from

Conscription, no doubt.

14 posted on 05/14/2020 12:08:08 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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The German court managed to make such a ruling because it “slipped through the door of attributed competence”, according to the official. This refers to the fact that the governments of member states grant EU institutions some powers, while retaining others for themselves.

In other words, "enumerated powers."

15 posted on 05/14/2020 12:20:44 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Coronovirus is the perfect time to ccut ooff buing junk bonds, or the worst, depending. Personally, I’d be glad the EU has to undergo a crisis if only that we weren’t still on ventilation here in the USA.


16 posted on 05/14/2020 12:23:12 PM PDT by Bayard
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“Or they could try just being a free trade association like the original Benelux group again.”

Yes. That is what they should do, along with strengthening NATO instead of trying to build a counter to it.

It even would be fine if they had NOT borderless travel for their citizens, with each other, just passport required visa-less travel as long as they are one of their citizens and not from outside their group of countries. That would end the human-trafficking-refugee hoards getting admission to all of Europe once they set foot on the soil of any European country, while letting their own citizens travel and seek employment among each other.

They should then also can any taxes paid to the EU, move trade issues among them to independent arbitration instead of a European court or executive.

They should end the Euro, go back to their national currencies which over time will put most the onus on economic reforms on the countries independently.

Telling each other how much debt and deficit they can carry (like the EU tries to do now) is comparable to if Washington D.C. could demand debt and deficit limits on the states and the states were responsible for bailing each other out - which is not the American way.


17 posted on 05/14/2020 12:30:27 PM PDT by Wuli
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The EU is not a state, and has no army, or national guard.

A famous question... "How many divisions has the Pope?"

18 posted on 05/14/2020 12:48:45 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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They should end the Euro, go back to their national currencies which over time will put most the onus on economic reforms on the countries independently.

Oui, this.

I'm no EU expert, but I seem to observe that the least motivated among them (Greece, Portugal, etc) gain the most from the relatively more productive members. An advance peek at globalism, btw.

EU members would all benefit from separate currencies, less interdependence among their economies, and airtight borders.

Smart members will be among the first to bolt, I highly suspect.

19 posted on 05/14/2020 12:52:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner
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“That’s why the UK could leave but the southern states couldn’t leave the US.”

In seventh grade history class, back in the ‘60’s, I asked on what grounds Lincoln went to war with the South. It made no sense to me that they couldn’t leave the union. (Setting aside slavery, which the history book pointed out was not the cause.) I was thoroughly raked over the coals by the teacher. (He was from the WWII generation.) I finally reasoned that the war must have been a response to the attack on Ft. Sumpter. But that was very unsatisfying and I have never read a good explanation of the legal reasoning.


20 posted on 05/14/2020 12:52:36 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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