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Fed study ties 1918 flu pandemic to Nazi Party gains (Not Satire)
Yahoo/Politico ^ | Quint Forgey

Posted on 05/05/2020 7:22:07 AM PDT by yesthatjallen

A new academic paper produced by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York concludes that the deaths caused by the 1918 influenza pandemic “profoundly shaped German society” in subsequent years and contributed to the strengthening of the Nazi Party.

The paper, published this month and authored by New York Fed economist Kristian Blickle, examined municipal spending levels and voter extremism in Germany from the time of the initial influenza outbreak until 1933, and showed that “areas which experienced a greater relative population decline” due to the pandemic spent “less, per capita, on their inhabitants in the following decade.”

The paper also showed that “influenza deaths of 1918 are correlated with an increase in the share of votes won by right-wing extremists, such as the National Socialist Workers Party” in Germany’s 1932 and 1933 elections.

Together, the lower spending and the flu deaths “had a strong effect on the share of votes won by extremists, specifically the extremist national socialist party" — the Nazis — the paper posits. “This result is stronger for right-wing extremists, and largely non-existent for left-wing extremists.”

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The paper’s findings are likely due to "changes in societal preferences" following the 1918 outbreak, Blickle argues — suggesting the influenza pandemic’s disproportionate toll on young people may have “spurred resentment of foreigners among the survivors” and driven voters to parties “whose platform matched such sentiments.”

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KEYWORDS: 1918; coronavirus; nazi; pandemic
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1 posted on 05/05/2020 7:22:07 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: yesthatjallen

Gee, it couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with, uh, The Depression?


2 posted on 05/05/2020 7:24:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Good to see that the Federal Reserve Bank of NY is focused on its mission. /s

Correlation is not causation, of course.


3 posted on 05/05/2020 7:27:04 AM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS CERTAINLY A PRETEXT)
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To: dfwgator

Seems like they found a correlation, and called it a causation.

Seems like the common trait was probably poverty. Poor people got sicker and died more, yes, and then later poor people were more attracted to political extremism and the hope that a leader could rise to make Germany great again.


4 posted on 05/05/2020 7:28:31 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: dfwgator

So that’s why Nazi parties appeared everywhere; it was the flu.

No, nothing to do with the Treaty of Versailles or runaway inflation.


5 posted on 05/05/2020 7:28:59 AM PDT by henkster ("We can always fool the foreigner" - Chinese Proverb)
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To: dfwgator
To your point about the Depression, I suspect this gave rise to a statement by Franklin D. Roosevelt:

True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

6 posted on 05/05/2020 7:30:35 AM PDT by glennaro (Dennis Prager: "Until It's Safe" means "Never")
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To: yesthatjallen

I can’t even attempt to follow this logic.
There IS a level beyond “Full Retard” and Quint has found it.


7 posted on 05/05/2020 7:31:18 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: yesthatjallen
right-wing extremists, such as the National Socialist Workers Party

This is the standard lie from the Trotsky wing of the Bolsheviks. If you are a socialist and you want global revolution -- international socialism -- then you are Leftwing. But if you are a socialist and you want to focus on revolution in your own country -- national socialism -- then you are rightwing.

Note that Trotsky was a Globalist/International Socialist.
Stalin was a National Socialist.
Hitler was a National Socialist.

There's actually no "rightwing" anything in this story.

8 posted on 05/05/2020 7:37:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: yesthatjallen

I suspect it also led to Communist gains as well.

I wonder how they separated the impact of all the men dying in the war resulting in a greater percentage of women voters who support socialist governments?


9 posted on 05/05/2020 7:40:36 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: dfwgator

That and how the Germans perceived the Versailles Treaty....coupled with the belief by many Germans they were not beaten on the battlefield but were sold out by politicians.


10 posted on 05/05/2020 7:42:24 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: yesthatjallen
I realize that I only had a Public School education, but I was taught that the extreme reparation demands on the German economy following their loss in WWI, coupled with the worldwide depression beginning in 1929, caused so much suffering among the German population that led to the rise of Hitler and his Third Reich.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the author didn't tie Hitler's rise to power with Global Climate Change.

11 posted on 05/05/2020 7:54:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: babble-on
Seems like the common trait was probably poverty. Poor people got sicker and died more, yes...

Maybe fewer 'poor' people to kiss the butts of German elites (serve them) was the problem... but I'm guessing it's one of the correlation is not causation things...

12 posted on 05/05/2020 8:01:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Was misery & death worth the four bucks saved on the crappy waffle-iron 'made in China?)
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To: dfwgator

“Gee, it couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with, uh, The Depression?”

Or maybe that they LOST THE FREAKING WAR!


13 posted on 05/05/2020 8:03:38 AM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: Yo-Yo

I agree with your assessment. The marxist revolts in various parts of Germany in conjunction with the terms of the treaty as well as the depression created perfect storm for instability and chaos. This drove the middle class to the NSDAP.


14 posted on 05/05/2020 8:06:25 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: ClearCase_guy
right-wing extremists, such as the National Socialist Workers Party

This is the standard lie from the Trotsky wing of the Bolsheviks. If you are a socialist and you want global revolution -- international socialism -- then you are Leftwing. But if you are a socialist and you want to focus on revolution in your own country -- national socialism -- then you are rightwing.

Note that Trotsky was a Globalist/International Socialist. Stalin was a National Socialist. Hitler was a National Socialist. There's actually no "rightwing" anything in this story.

Succinctly stated, my FRiend.

Should be required reading for wannabe "citizens of the world" (among others).

15 posted on 05/05/2020 8:36:31 AM PDT by Seaplaner
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Hitler and Stalin greatly admired each other, despite being enemies.


16 posted on 05/05/2020 8:40:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: yesthatjallen

Figures can lie. Liars can figure.


17 posted on 05/05/2020 8:47:41 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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To: dfwgator

It is likely that the flu was a contributing factor, but only one factor. Starting in 1918, Germany was hit by:

Spanish Flu 1918-1919
Defeat in the Great War
Collapse of the Hohenzolleren regime 1918
Occupation of the Rhineland 1918
Attempted Communist Revolution 1918-1919
Humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919
Hyperinflation of the wartime Papiermark 1919-1923
Political instability of the Weimar Constuitution 1919-1933
A global depression 1930-1933
And the Rise of National Socialism 1920-1933

So yeah maybe the Spanish Flu was a factor, but I wager that just maybe some of these other things were a bit of a factor as well.


18 posted on 05/05/2020 9:13:23 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

“...There’s actually no “rightwing” anything in this story....”

You are correct... and that is where controlling the language comes into play.

The Left has been telling that lie for a long time, and people believe it.


19 posted on 05/05/2020 9:21:52 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: yesthatjallen
Seems possible to me.However,this being Politico the purpose of this piece is to warn that the President and his supporters will try to use this virus to recreate...well,you know.

If there's any substantial readjustment of American society/politics resulting from the Whan Flu it will be a leftward move...not rightward.

20 posted on 05/05/2020 9:26:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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