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Delingpole: ‘Trust the Experts on Coronavirus’. Sure. Which Experts?
briedbart ^ | 04/09/2020 | James Delingpole

Posted on 04/09/2020 7:45:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Britain could suffer more than 60,000 coronavirus death by July, warns the Daily Mail.

But there’s a massive tell in the first sentence of the report: “…leading scientists say.”

And there’s an even bigger warning in the second paragraph:

“Modelling by researchers at the University of Washington predicted 151,680 people would succumb to the virus across the continent.”

Well maybe they will, maybe they won’t. No offence to the University of Washington but when I read the phrase “modelling by researchers” I know we are operating in the realms of purest fantasy.

That’s because I’m a climate sceptic and I’ve seen it all before.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; delingpole; experts; trust

1 posted on 04/09/2020 7:45:59 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

These models have been dead wrong. Who is going to take the blame for shutting down the USA and the world? Let me guess, they will all blame Trump and not the stalin like governors.


2 posted on 04/09/2020 7:47:20 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In addition to Chicken Freepers we have Headless Chicken Freepers running about proclaiming the omniscience of “EXPERTS” and their “MODELS”.


3 posted on 04/09/2020 7:55:49 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In addition to Chicken Freepers we have Headless Chicken Freepers running about proclaiming the omniscience of “EXPERTS” and their “MODELS”.


4 posted on 04/09/2020 7:55:49 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: ChicagoConservative27

You watch.

Big Media and the “modellers” will take credit, saying that only thanks to their mass-panicking of people was the virus able to be brought under control, otherwise we WOULD have had those 200,000 deaths, etc.

In other words, we should all be thanking them.

Just watch. This is how the incompetents survive & prosper.


5 posted on 04/09/2020 8:01:19 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Which Experts??

Why the ones on CNN,MSNBC,CBS,NBS,ABC,...


6 posted on 04/09/2020 8:04:09 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: ChicagoConservative27
That’s why climate sceptics like myself have often been much quicker to understand what the rest of the world is only slowly starting to grasp: that our governments’ response to coronavirus has been a wild overreaction; that the cure is in danger of causing much, much more damage than the disease itself.

I think we are well beyond that point.

7 posted on 04/09/2020 8:07:34 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

BHT and its interaction with certain lipid coated viruses

BHT is an antioxidant and common food preservative, approved by the FDA for food, oils and fats. Over 25 years ago, a paper was published in the journal Science showing that BHT could inactivate herpes simplex and other lipid coated viruses in vitro (In lab dishes).(1) This was followed by another paper published in Science showing that BHT could prevent chickens from dying of Newcastle disease.(2) The herpes virus and the virus that causes Newcastles disease have a lipid envelope. That is, the nucleic acid core of these viruses is coated with a fatty membrane. Viruses of this type require an intact lipid membrane in order to penetrate cell walls and infect living cells. And BHT will disrupt their lipid membrane.

BHT appears to work against such viruses by disrupting their lipid membranes making them vulnerable to the immune system and imparing their ability to penetrate human cells. BHT also removes binding proteins that the virus uses to penetrate cell membranes. In addition, BHT acts as an antioxidant neutralizing free radicals that damage cell membranes and cause inflammation. It is believed that the destructive action of many pathogenic viruses involves the destructive action of free radicals on cellular membranes. More recent studies have confirmed the anti-viral activity of BHT against many different human and animal viruses including CMV (cytomegalovirus), (3) pseudorabies (4), genital herpes (5), HIV (6) and some strains of influenza.(7)

A few of the viruses that have a lipid envelope and may be affected by BHT include herpes simplex I, herpes simplex II, herpes zoster, ckytomegalovirus, west nile virus, HIV virus, influenza virus, hepatitis B and C viruses, avian flu influenza virus and the SARS virus. BHT has not been clinically tested and approved to treat these infections.

Based on these early scientific results, some individuals afflicted with herpes virus infections began experimenting on themselves with BHT. They used dosages in the 250 to 3000 mg. per day range with the result that they experienced a reduction in herpes outbreaks. For some, their eruptions remained suppressed for as long as they continued to take BHT daily. For others, they were able to eventually discontinue taking BHT with no recurrences. BHT is discussed in Mann and Fowke’s book “Wipe Out Herpes with BHT” and Pearson and Shaw’s book “Life Extension”.(8)(9)

At issue is that none of the controlled studies on the antiviral properties of BHT have been performed on humans. Rather, most of the experiments have been conducted in the laboratory or on animals. In addition, BHT is a common, inexpensive substance that is unpatentable. No pharmaceutical company will invest money in researching and certifying its value as a medication. Furthermore, it may be difficult to perform human trials because the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved BHT for use only as a food preservative, not as a medicine.

Therefore, it is not approved for the treatment of herpes infections or any other disease. While doctors have the authority to prescribe BHT, they could face peer pressure and malpractice insurance issues for using unapproved treatments. You are, therefore, unlikely to get a doctor to recommend or prescribe BHT. If you decide to make an independent decision to take BHT, at least tell your doctor what you are doing so that he can give you advice regarding your diagnosis, your other treatment options, potential consequences, possible drug interactions, etc.

The lack of approval hasn’t stopped some people from using BHT on their own to treat herpes or other viral conditions. While there is no accounting of how many people have used BHT to treat herpes and other viral infections, the estimates run from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.

I have taken it in the past starting way back twenty-five years ago, if and when needed and once again started taking it again when this corona virus came on the scene. Since BHT is oil soluble it is absorbed better when first dissolved in oil, like olive oil. What I found works very well is to use 200 ML (two hundred milliliters) of olive oil and dissolve about 18 gm (eighteen grams) of BHT crystals. If this is done within a small container like a glass bottle, warm it up lightly by putting it in a microwave oven for a few seconds (20) to speed up dissolving the BHT. One tsp. of this, depending on the size of the tsp. should give you about anywhere from 450 mg to 500 mg of BHT. And by the way, most likely you may have heard the old saying to close the barn door before the horses are out. He same goes for BHT.. Better to take it before the virus takes hold of your system. Well just a thought until something better comes up like immunization.


8 posted on 04/09/2020 8:11:51 AM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: canuck_conservative

Got that straight.

This is how mediocre bureaucrats survive in Washington decade after decade. They have it down to an art really.


9 posted on 04/09/2020 8:17:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Pontiac

Fauci is beginning to remind me of that minor Star Trek character, Dr. Noonien “Often Wrong” Soong.


10 posted on 04/09/2020 8:18:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Which experts?

The ones recommending authoritarian government.

Less Freedom is always the answer for these people.


11 posted on 04/09/2020 8:19:18 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
When the first coronavirus cases and deaths started here in Washington, researchers at the University of Washington did a pretty good job of tracking down how each person caught the virus. For the first couple of weeks all of the patients had either been in China recently themselves or had close contact with someone who had.

Then something seemed to have changed and most of the people with new cases had no traceable contact with someone who had been to China recently. We had obvious “community spread”. And the researchers concluded that it had to have been spreading this part of King County for weeks before the first coronavirus patient was identified on January 15... most likely infected people returning from China had given it to their friends and relatives here sometime in December.

We have over half a million Chinese immigrants here in the eastern part of King County. Many of them visit home often. SeaTac is also one of the airports which receives the most travelers from China in the USA.

After the UW researchers discovered the community spread here, they began “computer modeling” what they thought the results would be and came up with projections of tens of thousands of people dying here in King and Snohomish Counties in the next few months. The peak of new deaths from the “pandemic” passed in King and Snohomish Counties nearly three weeks ago. The hospital ICU units emptied out at about the same time. We have now trickled beyond 400 total pneumonia deaths related to the flu or coronavirus for the entire state which is not really even out of the ordinary for this time of the year. Of course every pneumonia death earlier in the year was presumed to be coronavirus because of a shortage of tests.

I believe the computer modelers at the University of Washington have serious egg on their face, after initially getting the number of deaths here wrong by a factor of 10 to a 100. Their most recent prediction has come down to 632 by August and is being revised downward daily,

12 posted on 04/09/2020 8:38:08 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15

According to Benny Peiser and Andrew Montford of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, writing in the Wall Street Journal:

Several researchers have apparently asked to see Imperial’s calculations, but Prof. Neil Ferguson, the man leading the team, has said that the computer code is 13 years old and thousands of lines of it “undocumented,” making it hard for anyone to work with, let alone take it apart to identify potential errors. He has promised that it will be published in a week or so, but in the meantime reasonable people might wonder whether something made with 13-year-old, undocumented computer code should be used to justify shutting down the economy. Meanwhile, the authors of the Oxford model have promised that their code will be published “as soon as possible.”


13 posted on 04/09/2020 8:42:23 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: UnwashedPeasant
The ones recommending authoritarian government. Less Freedom is always the answer for these people.

Less freedom for you and more power for them.They won't rest until they hold the power of life or death over you[and me]. And in their defense, as evidenced by the media induced panic of the sheep,The sheep demand that they be ruled, not governed.

As evidenced by their voting preferences, the sheep do not want an honest individual to govern them. They prefer to be ruled by tyrants and crooks. And the tyrants and crooks are always happy to oblige.

14 posted on 04/09/2020 8:48:36 AM PDT by sport
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To: saintgermaine

Whoa! BHT is Anhydrous Butylated Hydroxytolune. It is almost as deadly as Dihydrogen Monoxide.

How dare you peddle such things on this Forum.


15 posted on 04/09/2020 9:51:56 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: saintgermaine

Had to fact check ya! Thanks for the great reply!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3021025

Antiviral effectiveness of butylated hydroxytoluene against pseudorabies (Aujeszky’s disease) virus in cell culture, mice, and swine.

Pirtle EC, Sacks JM, Nachman RJ.
Abstract
Butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) was evaluated for antiviral effectiveness on pseudorabies virus (PRV) in cell culture, mice, and swine. When relatively small amounts of BHT were mixed with PRV and incubated at 37 C for 30 or 60 minutes before inoculation into cell cultures, the cell cultures did not become infected with virus. The PRV was not infectious when the virus was treated with BHT and then inoculated intraperitoneally into mice, but was infectious when BHT and PRV were inoculated simultaneously or when BHT was inoculated either 30 or 60 minutes before PRV. Swine fed BHT-medicated feed for 10 days before they were intranasally exposed with virulent PRV did not have overt signs of pseudorabies, had a lower concentration of PRV in nasal mucus than did control swine, and had acceptable blood enzyme and cholesterol concentrations during the experiment. The BHT was detected in tissues of 2 swine after they were fed BHT-medicated feed for 10 days, and higher concentrations of BHT were detected in tissues of 3 swine given BHT feed for 29 days.


16 posted on 04/09/2020 10:29:48 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Thank you!


17 posted on 04/09/2020 12:01:54 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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