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WHAT STAY-AT-HOME ORDERS CAN AND CAN’T ACCOMPLISH
Powerline ^ | April 1,2020 | PAUL MIRENGOFF

Posted on 04/01/2020 4:11:52 PM PDT by Hojczyk

This doesn’t mean that sheltering place won’t save lives. It will. For one thing, as John noted, lives will be saved by “flattening” the infection curve because if the same same number of infections is spread out over time, hospitals will be better able to prevent the infected from dying. Why? Because there won’t be the kinds of acute shortages of equipment, such as ventilators, that we experience during extreme peaks of infection.

That’s not necessarily all. While the spread is delayed, we may find medicines that treat the infection effectively. Delaying the spread might also mean reducing the spread if it turns out that the virus doesn’t do well in warm weather.

So sheltering in place will save lives. But how many?

We don’t know. But I think it was reasonable for John to conclude that it won’t save nearly as many lives as some modelers and politicians would have us believe.

It seems implausible that in Britain, the ways in which staying at home reduces fatalities (as described above) can swing the number of deaths from around 500,000 to fewer than 20,000, as Dr. Neil Ferguson’s models indicate. And it seems absurd to suppose that staying at home in Minnesota will reduce the death total there from more than 70,000 (as the governor’s model apparently forecasts) to a little more than 1,000 (as a University of Washington model, IHME) predicts.

In absolute numbers, staying at home might well produce a substantial reduction in deaths without decreasing the total number of infections. But I doubt it will produce such a reduction in large multiples.

This raises the question of whether such orders are desirable, given their economic impact. More acutely, it raises the question of how long such orders should remain in place.

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1 posted on 04/01/2020 4:11:52 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

The less we humans are not in close proximity with each other at a time like the better.


2 posted on 04/01/2020 4:15:37 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Hojczyk

HOW ABOUT STAY IN STATE YOU AZZHATS?

As king of the world, I am saying that NO IMMIGRATION can take place between
countries for 5 years...KING KONG directive #1...NO MOVEMENT between borders states and countries for 5 years including armies, in the name of WORLD SECURITY.

If you like your virus you can keep your virus. SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY.

The MOFOS wouldn’t even let the arrogant bipartisan, elbow-touching, MOFO peacocks affix their names to the recent XXXTRILLION debt slavery virus/bill. DECLARATION of SLAVERY.

That, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


3 posted on 04/01/2020 4:18:36 PM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: Hojczyk

Lots of children will begin being born in nine months if mother doesn’t murder the child


4 posted on 04/01/2020 4:19:11 PM PDT by no-to-illegals ( Liberals, leftists, Rinos, moslems, illegals, lamestream media. All want America to fail and die)
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To: Hojczyk

“sheltering place” - huh?


5 posted on 04/01/2020 4:24:13 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Hojczyk

I go out to pick up my son’s dog ( doggie daycare) and to buy food. I don’t ‘shop’ just for $h!ts and giggles. I hate shopping. I go occasionally to my clubs outdoor rifle range. 100+ acres of various pits and ranges. I let myself in with an electronic key card and don’t often come across anyone. By myself I’m no threat nor am I threatened by others.

In the stores I keep the 6 foot (rule).

Roads are nice and empty


6 posted on 04/01/2020 4:24:23 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Hojczyk

It’s playing fits with custody issues.


7 posted on 04/01/2020 4:37:40 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Hojczyk

So every flu season, from Oct. 1 till May 1, we need to shelter in place and shut down the economy.

Only drooling communist ghouls could launch a plan like that, and only 50 IQ Morlock apes would support it.

Hominids have been living with flu for a million years, and we’re still here.

Time to get back to work.


8 posted on 04/01/2020 4:41:19 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: sergeantdave

Guess I’ve missed the reefer trucks full of corpses at hospitals during previous flu seasons.


9 posted on 04/01/2020 5:35:26 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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bump


10 posted on 04/01/2020 5:39:27 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: Vaquero

Sounds good.

But the virus can remain viable in droplets in the air for hours, under ideal conditions; and sneezes & coughs can propel droplets for 27 feet or more, right?

/paranoia mode off


11 posted on 04/01/2020 5:56:14 PM PDT by mbj
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To: Hojczyk

It seems like all the “flattening of the curve” theory means is that
we all still eventually get exposed, just not all at the same time.


12 posted on 04/01/2020 6:09:09 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Hojczyk

In Maryland Monday’s ‘Stay at Home’ order didnt change anything legally.

You have to read the actual order to figure that out


13 posted on 04/01/2020 6:25:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Essential businesses :Liquor stores, abortion clinics, fast food, ...)
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To: bigbob

Thats only at a few Hospitals in one of the most population dense areas of the world, NYC. And it turns out the fatality numbers are being inflated by people who died of another illness but just happened to be infected with Covid with no indication the Covid played any role in the fatality


14 posted on 04/01/2020 7:08:15 PM PDT by deanking
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To: Vaquero

When in the grocery store, I wonder about the many hands that have touched the food items. Did someone sneeze and wipe their nose with that same ball of Kleenex and then pick up that can to read the label and put it back? Was that stocker coughing over a case of mayonaise and putting it on the shelves? Did someone sneeze on the handle of that shopping cart that found its way to my bare hands?

I think a good step would be the stores scanning foreheads for temperature at the entrance and sanitizer dispensers for those disease ridden hands.


15 posted on 04/01/2020 9:53:36 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: jonrick46

A medical tricorder would be in order. “....damn it Jim, I’m a doctor not a grocer”


16 posted on 04/02/2020 3:51:36 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: mbj

I do take precautions now during these trying times. But I tend to agree with George Carlin on this…in theory

Language

https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo


17 posted on 04/02/2020 3:55:49 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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