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Why Bernie Sanders’s Dream Of Turning The United States Into Scandinavia Is Stupid
The Federalist ^ | 03/12/2020 | Sumantra Maitra

Posted on 03/12/2020 10:43:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says he wants to transform America into Scandinavia. In a recent town hall, Sanders argued, like every freshman student after reading a page of “State and Revolution,” that what happened in the Soviet Union was not “real socialism” but “authoritarian communism.”

“When we talk about democratic socialism, I’m talking about Finland, I’m talking about Denmark, I’m talking about Sweden,” Sanders said. “And communism, whether in Cuba, whether in the Soviet Union … was marked by totalitarianism, was marked by throwing millions of people into the Gulag.”

This is a trope, a “no true Scotsman” fallacy, that every socialist uses whenever his examples inevitably crash and burn. Remember that both Sanders and U.S. Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn once considered Venezuela under Hugo Chavez a socialist paradise and an exemplar of socioeconomic success, a claim they try to distance themselves from these days.

This idea that socialism never turns authoritarian, or can be without eventual authoritarianism, is ridiculous. What exactly would a socialist do in power when the people and the majority of the states oppose his harebrained, unnatural utopian schemes? He or she will try to force it in through executive actions. That in itself is authoritarianism, even in a smiley-badgey version.

The reason it is unlikely there will ever be communism in the United States is not due to the benevolence of our leftist leaders, who are as power-hungry as their brethren across the globe, but because the U.S. Constitution secures gun rights, which makes it impossible to ram through state-supported totalitarian actions. That is why socialists try to bring about their policies through a combination of judicial fiat (immigration, abortion) to outright hysteria (green economics, guns).

But that is not the full story. As someone who resides in Europe, it always baffles me that American liberals and socialists consider Scandinavia the best-case scenario. The socialists claim it is the place where socialism is perfected, even though the Scandinavians themselves refuse to be called socialists. Remember the famous quip by the Danish prime minister in reply to Sanders: “Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”

Liberals try to use Scandinavia as an example of a market economy that is also an expansive welfare state, the kind they want to replicate in the United States. But how good are the actual records? Can the United States have Danish health care without having Danish immigration restrictionism under a center-left U.S. government?

With Sanders as president, there would be no immigration restriction even during a pandemic. Bernie wants Scandinavian health care, and has given Finland as an example. Yet the Finnish government collapsed for not being able to bear the cost of increasing health care. And Finland is only a country of a few millions. Consider the fiscal effect in a country, like the United States, of more than 300 million.

Sweden is considered the crown jewel of Scandinavian societies. The Swedish government doesn’t allow for keeping crime statistics by ethnicity (especially Middle Eastern migrants), lest right-wingers point out the results. This is how benevolence in motives easily results in soft totalitarianism and governmental censorship.

What is the result? Sweden is undergoing some of the harshest crime, bombing, and gang-war waves in its history, mostly orchestrated by Middle-Eastern gangs. Everyone knows, but they are powerless to say or do anything because of political correctness. Swedish police are accused of regularly covering up sexual assaults by mostly Afghan refugees, as our liberal academics write peons touting Swedish feminist foreign policy and their desire to incorporate that in the United States and Great Britain.

Scandinavian ads are so full of self-hatred that they claim nothing is ever truly Scandinavian, before being pulled off YouTube due to public backlash. Scandinavian politicians hate masculinity, and are quite open about it. Swedish gender studies scholars want to boycott U.S. academic conferences due to Donald Trump’s election, even when American taxpayers pay for European security. Most Scandinavian social sciences are a joke.

It is one of the stupidest ideas to assume that totalitarianism needs jackboots. It doesn’t. In fact, some of the worst totalitarians are the benevolent and maternalistic ones who just want to “make sure you are good,” not free. One can argue that part of the reason post-modernists and Euro-communists hate the Soviet Union is that even although they aimed at similar egalitarian goals and virulent anti-traditionalism, the Soviets were too authoritarian and hetero-patriarchal, and therefore too masculine.

But just because they hate the Soviet Union doesn’t make them liberal heroes. Scandinavian society is anything but truly liberal and individualist. No society can be when taxes are sky high, the entire country is geared towards equality, regardless of talent and merit, and social goals are more important than pesky, utopia-ruining crime statistics.

Scandinavia boasts effete and feminized societies where masculine traits like ambition are discouraged in favour of communitarianism. The Scandinavian concept of JanteLoven actively discourages individualism, private rights, social flaunting, and ambition.

Things like this are why there will never be a Tony Stark or Gordon Gekko anywhere in Scandinavia. Nor will there ever be technological advancement, economic might, and military prowess unparalleled in human history. Whatever egalitarian and repressed social system that is, classic Anglo-American freedom it is not.

I remember talking with a Scandinavian girl immediately after Brexit. She was simply incapable of understanding why on Earth the United Kingdom would pull up the drawbridge. After some fruitless waste of time, I thought it must be cultural.

See, the English language, the right to property, and the Magna Carta all embody a certain middle-finger-flipping spirit. The English flipped the middle finger to European communitarianism and social discipline for centuries, preferring entrepreneurial societies and individual freedom. The Americans in turn flipped their fingers to the English. The English finally managed to flip the bird again to the European Union.

This is because freedom and the ambition to grow individually are cherished cultural traits, the world’s opinion be damned. Forced egalitarianism is anti-nature, and it always turns to enforced equality at the cost of personal ambition, innovation, and individualism.

It doesn’t matter who, the liberals or the socialists, wants to portray Scandinavia as a utopian paradise. Flocks of people are not leaving the United Kingdom or United States to migrate to Scandinavia, or for that matter anywhere else in the world. It’s always the other way around.

There is no glory or happiness in being one of the many thousands of Unknown Citizens in a utopia. One should rather be free.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: berniesanders; scandinavia; socialism

1 posted on 03/12/2020 10:43:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernie just says he wants to turn the US in Scandinavia to get the moron vote. He really prefers Cuba or Stalinist Russia with himself as Fearless Leader!


2 posted on 03/12/2020 10:47:55 AM PDT by Reily
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To: SeekAndFind

Scandinavian “democratic socialism” would work as well or as poorly among Americans of Scandinavian descent as it does in Sweden and Denmark. Would it work in a population of 350 million that is majority black and hispanic? The data suggests that Venezuela would be a best case scenario.


3 posted on 03/12/2020 10:52:16 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Cornpop was a pony soldier!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernier LOL!. That Socialist Bourgeois is still running? Take a break, Bern. The batteries in your amigo are all charged up. Hillary’s hearse is ready just in case.


4 posted on 03/12/2020 10:52:30 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why Bernie Sanders’s _____________________ Is Stupid. Corrected.


5 posted on 03/12/2020 10:57:11 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I for one am not nearly tall nor blond enough.


6 posted on 03/12/2020 10:59:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: SeekAndFind

A virus on the body politic for 20 years. So toxic, the other reps went to their safe spaces. Even Joementia’s DNC doesn’t like him. Run, DNC, run. He’s got shooters. “Gun free zone” won’t help. His supporters can’t read...only teleprompters, right Cenk? They can text-talk though.


7 posted on 03/12/2020 11:00:53 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
RE: I for one am not nearly tall nor blond enough.

Here's one young Swede who clearly isn't blonde enough...


8 posted on 03/12/2020 11:05:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

She’s scary.


9 posted on 03/12/2020 11:06:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

But the stuff that’s good in Sweden is all left over from when they were less socialist.


10 posted on 03/12/2020 11:07:59 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Yes, and many of them are slowly realizing it, that’s why MANY ASPECT of Sweden’s economy is NOT socialist.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that NONE OF THESE COUNTRIES HAVE MINIMUM WAGE LAWS! Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

Thirdly, Sweden has COMPLETE SCHOOL CHOICE.

The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

Fourthly, Corporate Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 34 percent from 1981 until 2020, reaching an all time high of 60.10 percent in 1989 and a record low of 21.40 percent in 2019.

Just four examples of why these countries are NOT SOCIALIST.


11 posted on 03/12/2020 11:12:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for all of your position papers making it very clear why the republic needs to be overturned by your ilk, Fraud.

Even the world socialists website, the comrades, don’t like YOU. Feel the Burn, FRAUD. Get out of your Bourgeois bubble, screwball.

By Patrick Martin
3 March 2020

World Socialist Web Site

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/03/dems-m03.html

“Sanders’ response to the Democratic Party’s open and unrestrained hostility to him exposes the depth of his own political demagogy.”

Yep, I’ve said, Karl would spit on him...uncle Joe would put one in the back of Bourgeois Bernie’s head.

What a FRAUD that “INDEPENDENT”/”SOCIAL DEMOCRAT” for 20 years on the body politic.

His position papers on “the struggle” show it. Wait...what?...

C’mon septuagenarian...where’s your fight. Did CoVid-535 get you? He did extort some money from the Ukraine and the U.S.A. under the auspices of “foreign aide”, That Uke Puke. Yell it, Uke Pukes of the world UNITE! He’s been a pig at the trough longer (1973). C’mon Bern...shave your head, get some tats. Show him you mean biz for your hoodwinked. Good thing Karl and Uncle Joe weren’t around Bourgeois Bernie. You’d have been gone long ago. They didn’t like you either. Read the Manifesto, FRAUD. Why wasn’t Howard Zinn your campaign manager? Oh, I forgot...he’s dead. Is that golden parachute only for you. Pull the ripcord when you jump out of your amigo, shaky. Is Cenk at the range or just doing his pom pom routine? Don’t get fooled again, kids.


12 posted on 03/12/2020 11:13:50 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what happens when women govern.


13 posted on 03/12/2020 11:21:46 AM PDT by A strike (" Was that wrong? Should I not have done this? " -George Cotanza)
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To: cdcdawg
Yep. In Scandinavian countries, there is still a definite stigma attached to living off the system and people don't go into government work in order to loot the public.

But you can't explain that to a leftist, so I simply ask them "Do you want to be as white as those countries? That's racist!"

14 posted on 03/12/2020 11:24:46 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“Do you want to be as white as those countries? That’s racist!”

in my experience, they have no response for this other than pointing and sputtering. They might try to turn it into an argument about the definition of “racism” at that point. What else can they really say?


15 posted on 03/12/2020 11:58:43 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Cornpop was a pony soldier!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bernie thinks a gal can indefinitely stay half pregnant.


16 posted on 03/12/2020 11:59:52 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My Swedish mother emigrated to the US in the 1920s because she didn’t like what her country was turning into. Before my 99 yr.old father passed, he said he was glad to be going because he didn’t like what the US was turning into. Now I understand what he meant.


17 posted on 03/12/2020 12:15:11 PM PDT by ryderann
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing I am for Scandinavian is their women.


18 posted on 03/12/2020 12:50:47 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Cultural Marxism is the cult of the Left waiting for the Mothership.)
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To: cdcdawg

He would need to import twenty million more Moslem military age men to turn the US into Scandinavia,


19 posted on 03/12/2020 2:41:50 PM PDT by arthurus ( "covfefe")
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To: arthurus

I’m sure we have our best people already working on that. We take in plenty of them as it is.


20 posted on 03/12/2020 2:49:21 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Cornpop was a pony soldier!)
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