Posted on 02/27/2020 3:22:36 PM PST by Moonman62
SINGAPORE (The Straits Times/ANN): The 62 Covid-19 patients who have been discharged here no longer have the virus in them and cannot pass the infection on to others, experts at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) assured.
Stories have surfaced in China that one in seven patients who has recovered is still infectious.
But they said the situation in Singapore is very different
Professor Leo Yee Sin, executive director of NCID, said doctors monitor virus-shedding in patients' respiratory tract - in other words, they check if the patient is still releasing live virus and thus remains contagious.
This is done by taking nasal or throat swabs.
Virus-shedding stops if the patient no longer has the virus in him.
"Patients are only discharged when they have clinically recovered and molecular testing indicates they have stopped shedding the virus," she said.
Is there any way for it to mutate and hide within the body after one gets rid of it? I have no idea that’s why I’m asking :-)
RE: The 62 Covid-19 patients who have been discharged here no longer have the virus in them and cannot pass the infection on to others, experts at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID) assured.
Then, what do we make of the following news:
1. Fourteen recovered patients in Wuhan have been re-quarantined for two weeks after re-testing showed that they were still positive for the virus
2. A Japanese tourist guide who had recovered from Coronavirus has been re-infected.
These news are contradictory!
> Recovered patients in Singapore can’t spread Covid-19, assures centre
Except for the 13% who get it again. A mere rounding error. No need to worry.
This sounds like good news. I suspect the people who were reinfected never got over the virus in the first place.
These news are contradictory!
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Not if the reinfected people were not completely healed.
Singapore is going the extra mile by doing swabs and genetic testing to make sure they are recovered.
Worse, though, CoVid-19 has shown that it can "submerge" in victims, who seem to have recovered and can be tested as not having it at that point, but then develop it a second time without being re-infected from an external source.
CoVid-19 is a really nasty disease.
Yeah sure, I trust the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID), implicitly. BS.
What’s the betting line in Macau?
'Famous Last Words'
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This virus doesn’t have to mutate to hide. That’s why patients can have symptoms, have 1-8 negative tests, and then finally have one or more positive tests.
One plausible theory, that a researcher from India submitted based on some serious evidence, that did not get to pre-print, says the virus adds itself to DNA in certain gut bacteria. The bacteria then reproduces normally in the gut until the virus releases into the body and becomes detectable. Current tests identify the virus in RNA form, but not in its DNA form, if any.
A different team, also from India, published a paper that they were forced to retract, that shows the SARS-CoV-2 (formal name), has 4 HIV-1 insertions (one or two very short), and one long SARS insertion, heavily mutated from any known coronavirus. This was ordered to be retracted, but the Indian scientists involved state they stand by their research and its implications.
Short version of implications: viruses, out in the wild, and now infecting people in 40+ countries, have, for the first time, the ability to rearrange DNA without any intervention from people. First known iteration is lethal to between 2-10% of humans, less than 1% for people under age 30, but more than 5% for people over age 60.
If true, this explains several mysteries: how the virus can hide in the human body, how the virus can return after apparently being eradicated from a person, and how the virus can travel through the plumbing system from one apartment to another.
Macau has 10 confirmed infections. 8 are recovered.
https://www.macaubusiness.com/eight-covid-19-case-discharged-two-remaining/
The official criteria for a cure in China (Wuhan cases) includes all 3 of: multiple negative tests for the virus, no fever for 10 days, and a clean chest X-ray. Reasons for re-infection would include: exposure to a different infected person, virus surviving in the air, on a surface, or in the plumbing, and virus hiding in the apparently cured person.
Evidence points strongly to the virus hiding in the body as the primary cause for re-infection. There is also the possibility of a simple false negative/false positive.
I imagine the Japanese are equally cautious in declaring a patient cured, but haven’t read their criteria.
They are tiny in comparison to countries but Singapore and Hong Kong have so far seemed to have controlled the outbreak. So has Taiwan. So far.
What has been the reason for their seemingly successful ability to limit exposures?
A couple of weeks ago Singapore was being used as an example of how the virus was going to be a major pandemic. That’s because Singapore was diligent in finding every infection possible, and they had a sudden spike in cases. Now that diligence and testing is paying off.
You mentioned Taiwan as one of
the places most successful in containing Covid-19. First, note that all 3 places you mentioned, Taiwan, Hongkong and Singapore are ethnically Chinese.
So, what accounts for different Chinese places having relatively different success rates?
Here is an FR thread explaining how a relatively free Taiwan handled the outbreak better than China...
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3820041/posts
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