Posted on 02/27/2020 4:29:07 AM PST by Kaslin
I’m a big fan of accountability – if you break the rules there has to be consequences, or else there are no rules. But I’m also for sanity and proportional punishment, which is why I think it’s time (well past, to be honest) to lift the lifetime ban on Pete Rose and allow him into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Pete Rose bet on baseball, he also lied about it when caught. All of this is well known and not irrelevant, but the price for that has been paid.
Rose is baseball’s hit king, slapping out 67 more hits and Ty Cobb and 1,000 more than the nearest active player. By any unit of measure, Pete is a hall of famer. Yet he remains on the outside looking in.
Last week, Rose applied, once again, for reinstatement. Given the fact that no one from the steroid era or the recent electronic sign stealing scandals has been banned for life, he has a strong logical case for lifting the ban. But baseball is a private business, free to set its own rules and standards, so there is no guarantee of anything.
Lawyers for Rose, in filing their latest petition, correctly noted, “Given the manner in which Major League Baseball has treated and continues to treat other egregious assaults on the integrity of the game, Mr. Rose’s ongoing punishment is no longer justifiable as a proportional response to his transgressions.”
None of this is to diminish what Rose did, it was against the rules and threatened the integrity of the game. But he did it decades ago, a life sentence for one of the greats is cruel and unusual.
Rose hasn’t helped his case by changing his story and monetizing his infamy with “I’m sorry I bet on baseball” signed balls, but if character were a factor in enshrinement in the hall, the hall would be nearly empty.
What happens on the field should be all that matters – individual performance. The Halls of Fame are not about team or world championships, they are about individual achievements, and Rose holds a record unlikely to be broken, at least for decades. How baseball can justify is exclusion for life seems more personal than anything else.
By many accounts, Rose isn’t the easiest person to get along with and can be difficult to be around. So what?
Babe Ruth chased women, couldn’t be bothered to remember anyone’s name, was perpetually late for games, ate and drank too much, along with all manner of other traits that would make him the last person you’d trust to feed your dog while on vacation, let alone think worthy of celebration. But he hit the hell out of the ball.
Mickey Mantle worked as a casino greeter for a time in retirement and was banned. Mantle did it to make money to cover the cost of cancer treatment for his son, yet baseball banned him anyway. I question the wisdom of this, not the authority. Once he both left the casino job he was reinstated and all was forgiven. The punishment, dumb and heartless as it was, fit the so-called crime.
Rose has been barred since 1989. Surely 31 years is enough.
At age 78, and speaking honestly, Pete Rose isn’t going to be around much longer. To deny him something he’s clearly earned, not through stealing signs or taking performance enhancing drugs, can only be attributed to spite at this point.
The Hall of Fame itself could ignore the ban and allow Rose’s name on the ballot, but the last time Rose appealed for reinstatement (and was denied), in 2016, they said they’d abide by whatever the wishes of Major League Baseball were. No one wants to step up and give the man his due.
Given how the bar has been lowered for entry to the Hall of Fame (I don’t want to name names because they were all good players, just not great), it’s high time they allow someone who clearly and unequivocally clears the bar of greatness as a player.
There is no more line for enshrinement. It used to be 3,000 hits, 500 home-runs, 300 wins for pitchers, or other milestones were needed to guarantee entry. Those standards aren’t reached anymore, at least not very often. So lesser players now make the cut. But 4,256 hits is a number greater than the average player with a good career will amass in games played and it deserves recognition.
Pete Rose will likely never win a spot in the Off-The-Field Hall of Fame, but there is no doubt he earned one in baseball for what he did between the first and third base lines. And he should get it while he’s alive; he earned it. It’s time for Major League Baseball to step-up and stop blocking him from the space he truly deserves.
I disagree.
What are the odds they let him back in?
I’ve been in major league locker rooms. The warning about gambling is on every door.
I appreciate what a good player he was. But his “crimes against baseball” were not a one time thing.
A lifetime ban is appropriate. And the day after he dies is when he should be enshrined. Not a day before.
Either the rules mean something or they don’t.
Bwahahaha!
No, Banned for Life is Banned for Life
Sorry, Pete
nope...they never reinstated Joe Jackson and the other 1919 “Black Sox”....
I see what you did there.
Agreed. I would want to see “Shoeless Joe” reinstated and then put in the Hall of Fame before any consideration for that sort of thing is given to Pete Rose.
No way. Just because there are others who did bad things does not mean his crimes should be forgiven.
And, steroid users haven’t been given a pass. Many have, in effect, been banned from the HOF, eg Barry Bods, Roger Clemens, Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa.
If MLB reconsiders Joe Jackson and inducts him, then maybe we can give Pete Rose some mercy.
I agree about Shoeless Joe. He has to e reinstated first. And he won’t be.
I think he’ll be reinstated after he is deceased. He should be thankful for that. It would be a better deal than what Shoeless Joe Jackson got.
The Hall of Fame is a separate entity to MLB. Writers for the most part do the determining of who gets the nod for entry. Pete for his on field accomplishments would be automatic. His ban by MLB for gambling doesn’t preclude his entry but writers think its a factor enough to keep him out for now. As time goes by that may change but also maybe not. Shoeless Joe still ain’t in.
And Shoeless Joe, who I believe died in the 1950's, should have been admitted long ago.
2 things always bothered me about him passing Cobb...one, he kept playing simply just to get that record...and 2, how many of those hits were “astro-turf singles”...very good player..greatest hitter ever??...hardly. Everyone knows that was Ted Williams...
It has nothing to do with the writers. The Hall Of Fame and MLB are separate entities, but the HOF bylaws stipulate that a person banned from MLB is ineligible for admission.
If I was a betting man, I’d say slim.
Good post. Rose is far from the greatest hitter ever. He may have had more hits than anyone else, but his .303 lifetime batting average ranks #171 of all time.
Would you be open to the idea of a sinners wing of the Hall?
IIRC, Shoeless Joe’s statistical record from that infamous 1919 World Series does not really incriminate him or suggest that he was influenced by nefarious interests (throwing games for gamblers). Also, that he was barely literate when he “signed” his confession. That is why I’ve questioned his being banned from baseball to begin with.
Big difference in fixing a World Series and, as Manager, betting on your team to win. Never bet on the Reds to lose, only win.
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