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My wife and daughter are trapped there, trying to get them out. However, having been born in China, they are believing the Chinese bs on the news. So, they think that if they just wait a little, they will be okay. It hasn’t peaked yet, and won’t until late March.


33 posted on 02/08/2020 8:15:12 PM PST by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (CW 2.0 coming soon to a theater near you.)
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum

I’m sincerely sorry about the situation with your family. If they are well and getting enough water and food, staying in place and away from hospitals and transportation facilities for now might be an option (that is, staying away from other people).

There were indications yesterday, that the epidemic might be topping out in China in general. Symptoms were not as severe on average for patients in a hospital in Beijing (re. distance from Wuhan). The virus might be mutating towards weakness, as it travels back and forth. I’ll look at the numbers again from news feeds tonight to see if the increases are continuing to slow down.

I’ve been studying something related. Surprising for me, the coronavirus survives best at 20 degrees C (42, F) at about 50 percent humidity. As the temperature and humidity goes *up,* the virus dies faster—especially humidity (surprise)! At 80% humidity, the virus begins to die pretty fast (within a day to three days).

That’s very important, because it appears to infect more people by way of contaminated surfaces (including hands, which touch faces). Cleaning surfaces is very important, but be very careful with flammable alcohols. Soaps work, too, if surfaces are cleaned often enough. Vinegar might work, but I need to find more info about that. *Bleach doesn’t work well at all.*

Sorry for rambling. I really hope they make it through just fine.

Avoid touching the face. Wash hands first, and wash hands after touching anything away from home. Bathe, if possible, upon arrival back home.

I’m guessing that there is running water there, but... *Only if necessary (that is, no shower or bathtub available)*,...

Sponge bathing (with a washcloth and regular bar soap) works if shower or tub bathing is not available. If sponge bathing, start at the top of the head, both washing and rinsing, then work your way down the body from there. Be sure to rinse the ears very gently three times after getting soap in ears. After washing and rinsing the head with the washcloth, work your way down the body from there. If possible, it is best to have one small bucket (or other container maybe between approximately four and 6 liters at best) for the head and another for the body. I did this for six years while living in close quarters with others in an extremely cold and otherwise isolated area and avoided any serious infections.

I was trained to be a soldier in field conditions in the past, so the sponge bathing memories tend to stay in mind.


37 posted on 02/08/2020 11:18:29 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum

Another thing to bear in mind on the numbers from the Chinese government. Our own U.S. health offices gather statistics similarly by only reporting confirmed, tested cases. A very small portion of cases of influenza, for example, are tested. Granted, there are vast differences, but maybe the gaps between east and west will close further.

The Chinese medical establishment is overwhelmed and trying to focus more on patients for now. I can’t imagine how such thoroughly exhausted doctors or nurses could bring themselves to keep records for statistics.

Another thing, yet,... The Chinese government appears to be opening up quite a bit in its publications as of about two days ago. Not nearly as open and chatty as ours, but much more than before. I’ve been watching those publications from day to day.


38 posted on 02/08/2020 11:47:51 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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I want to apologize for my error in the following.

Surprising for me, the coronavirus survives best at 20 degrees C (42, F) at about 50 percent humidity. As the temperature and humidity goes *up,* the virus dies faster—especially humidity (surprise)! At 80% humidity, the virus begins to die pretty fast (within a day to three days).

20 degrees Celsius is 68 degrees Fahrenheit. I was pushing it too hard here and am catching up on rest. But higher humidity will stop the virus much more quickly, especially in higher heat.


47 posted on 02/09/2020 10:54:05 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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The information behind these links will make more sense than I did.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509683/

https://news.yahoo.com/know-wuhan-coronavirus-221957061.html


48 posted on 02/09/2020 11:25:04 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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And this one.

Effects of Air Temperature and Relative Humidity on Coronavirus Survival on Surfaces
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2863430/


49 posted on 02/09/2020 11:34:13 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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