[oldasrocks]

Exactly right. china is lying. Reports we have seen say 154,000 infected, 28,600 dead. That is still too low as a lot of deaths are listed as other causes due to government mandates. Growing 10% a day.

If not serious why would they quarantine so many cities and shut down all travel?

If 25% are in intensive care there must be a lot of ICU units in china.

[Crucial]

The Chinese aren’t taking care of the infected. They walk into a clinic, the doctors do little or nothing. If they die, they tag, bag and roll them out. If they survive they go home with scarred lungs.

[Svartalfiar]

Exactly right. china is lying. Reports we have seen say 154,000 infected, 28,600 dead. That is still too low as a lot of deaths are listed as other causes due to government mandates. Growing 10% a day.

Long term, we should be able to figure out a decent estimate of the total deaths by comparing their numbers on total deaths/year to previous years, as well as looking at total population numbers. If they end up abandoning Wuhan, you know that only a small part of the populace moved cities, the rest were almost certainly deaths.