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1 posted on 02/01/2020 2:28:17 AM PST by Cronos
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I think they do, if they don’t think it can survive anyway.


2 posted on 02/01/2020 2:29:09 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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That wasn’t exactly the main cause of Payless failing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ35lCrOYC0

They ate a giant debt pill long before they were bought by private equity firms. Yes, the PE guys raided it, but their extractions were still less than the debt they assumed with the Stride Rite acquisition. They also had lost most of their customers by the 2010s.


3 posted on 02/01/2020 3:02:45 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I learned all I needed to know about Payless after I bought a pair of shoes there and had to walk from the NYC Port Authority to 129 west 27th(it’s not all that far). My Achilles area/heels were bloody. I took a copy of The Village Voice and stuffed a bunch sheets in my shoes and limped back when I was done.


4 posted on 02/01/2020 3:09:55 AM PST by Malsua
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Do hedge funds kill businesses?

Reading the article it's clear that sometimes they do but often they don't. It's pretty clear that the fund that bought Payless bought it just to loot as much as they could and then dispose of it. They didn't invest in the company, installed management that had little understanding of the industry, and cut costs in areas they shouldn't have.

6 posted on 02/01/2020 3:23:22 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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Living through this PE nightmare now. 3years ago they came with a mission 2021 statement to become the next best thing. In this time it is apparent that the mission is to strangle and choke off the business by not investing in it, not replacing workers that have left all the while saying the workers are not working smart enough. They have no clue on how to run the business and have no desire on hearing from those in the trenches on what works and what doesn’t. 35 year business in the financial services sector about to be vanished in 4 years. I’m looking at you Vista Equity Partners.


9 posted on 02/01/2020 3:55:02 AM PST by sjm_888
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About 25 years ago payless drastically reduced the selection of shoes for men and boy’s.

Our family had shopped there almost exclusively since my wife and I got married, but we weren’t going to continue since we would now often need to find another store to get shoes for my son and I.

Women buy more shoes, it’s true.
They decided to cater to that market to the point that they might as well have discontinued shoes for men and boys altogether.

Nd their clerks became insulting in the manner in which they would try to convince men to buy one of two or four similar shoes which were often all they had in one’s size.

Screw them.


10 posted on 02/01/2020 3:57:41 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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to close factories

Where are those closed factories? The USA? Hell No. So who cares?

13 posted on 02/01/2020 4:15:47 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Re: Do hedge funds kill businesses?

“Private equity” is a completely different concept than hedge funds.

Hedge funds often “short” the stock of companies that are in trouble.

Private equity actually purchases companies (which are often in financial trouble).

Bottom Line - private equity would have no investors if they killed more companies than they save.


15 posted on 02/01/2020 4:31:51 AM PST by zeestephen
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Hedge funds may cull sick and weak businesses, but they also seek out and fund start-ups and new business methods and technologies. A close reading of the article suggests that Payless was too deeply impaired to survive missteps by business executives brought in by the new hedge fund owners.


16 posted on 02/01/2020 4:35:46 AM PST by Rockingham
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Retail is ghetto, Who cares?


19 posted on 02/01/2020 4:46:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Hedge funds are just investment pools, so no, they don't kill businesses. In many circumstances they provide the capital that helps businesses grow.

Private equity and leveraged buyout companies do sometimes kill businesses. Probably not intentionally, but they tend to extract too much cash, and take on too much debt in businesses that they may not fully understand. The result if often failure.

Running a successful business is not easy, and schemes that are designed to extract value instead of build value usually end up badly.

23 posted on 02/01/2020 4:59:14 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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Do hedge funds kill businesses?

The thing that kills businesses is people with MBA degrees.

38 posted on 02/01/2020 5:55:59 AM PST by CurlyDave
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The NYT understands Capitalism only slightly better than a dog understands what makes a radio work.


40 posted on 02/01/2020 5:59:15 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's no coincidence that the Democrat/media complex always sides with America's enemies.)
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Crappy shoes kill shoe companies. Their shoes are poorly made and uncomfortable.


42 posted on 02/01/2020 6:04:58 AM PST by Bookwoman (And I am unanimous in that.)
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It didn’t help any that their shoes were made from Chinese cardboard.


45 posted on 02/01/2020 6:08:43 AM PST by moovova
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More like lousy cheap shoes that hurt your feet.


65 posted on 02/01/2020 7:06:01 AM PST by Clarence The One Eyed Lion
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Used to get my wide Champion sneakers at Payless - can’t find them anywhere. Bummer.


66 posted on 02/01/2020 7:07:37 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Financial managers are killing the health care industry in America. Don’t ever think a doctor is in charge of a hospital. Accountants are.


73 posted on 02/01/2020 11:19:33 AM PST by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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Of course they do. And not just by insider dealing and asset stripping, but by management fees. Eddie Lampert and Sears:

Eddie Lampert Shattered Sears, Sullied His Reputation, and Lost Billions of Dollars. Or Did He?

74 posted on 02/01/2020 12:15:27 PM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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They tend to operate like Vikings.

Extract as much value as possible, leave the place destroyed, and split.


82 posted on 02/01/2020 4:44:42 PM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian.)
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