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No, the 2019-nCoV [coronavirus] genome doesn’t really seem engineered from HIV
The Prepared ^ | 1/31/2020 | Ari Allyn-Feuer

Posted on 01/31/2020 8:50:37 PM PST by catnipman

They found that all four of these spike protein inserts appear as matches to at least one sequence in at least one variant of the HIV virus. The sequences come from the gp120 and Gag proteins in HIV, the former of which is also a viral envelope recognition protein. This has led many to credulously assume that this is evidence, or even a strong indication, that 2019-nCoV was engineered from its bat ancestor by humans inserting HIV sequences.

But they’re wrong; it’s still not engineered. An analysis of the paper clearly reveals that:

1. There is nothing remarkable about the fact that 2019-nCoV’s sequence diverges from its nearest known relative, or that its unique sequences are conserved among cases of 2019-nCoV.

2. The sequence matches with HIV are very short and appear in hypervariable regions of both virus, and similar overlaps are seen between 2019-nCoV sequences and many other organisms.

3. The unique biological properties that HIV sequences could theoretically impart to another virus are completely missing from 2019-nCoV, and 2019-nCoV has no unique clinical properties that are outside what is known to be possible for a coronavirus.

In other words, the sequence overlap is not actually uncanny, and there is no big scoop here. The group in India fell prey to some of the pitfalls of bioinformatics research.

The 2019-nCoV genome does not contain remarkable genomic properties which need explaining, and for which we’d look to some kind of bioengineering as a cause.

2019-nCoV continues to give every appearance of being a wild coronavirus that jumped from bats to humans by way of an animal intermediary in the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan in late 2019.

(Excerpt) Read more at theprepared.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2019ncov; coronavirus; deepstatevirus; gaslight; hiv; militarygrade; pandemic; weaponized
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In other words, the coronavirus was not "engineered" to contain HIV virus portions ...
1 posted on 01/31/2020 8:50:37 PM PST by catnipman
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To: catnipman

All this article proves, if true, is that the characteristics of the virus do not prove that it was engineered, but neither do they prove it wasn’t.


2 posted on 01/31/2020 8:59:09 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: catnipman

And yet patient zero STILL had no contact with the market where all of this supposedly started.


3 posted on 01/31/2020 9:00:52 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: catnipman
The truth strapping its boots on.

Unfortunately the lie’s halfway around the world...

4 posted on 01/31/2020 9:02:09 PM PST by semimojo
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To: catnipman

And, all of the so-called first-hand information is ciming from a Communist government intent on suppressing the truth and withholding information.


5 posted on 01/31/2020 9:02:53 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: catnipman

I would like to get a look into the research files at that level 4 lab that just happens to be in Wuhan.


6 posted on 01/31/2020 9:03:37 PM PST by LukeL
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Funny because it appears the Chicoms are treating it with HIV drugs

China Using HIV Drugs For Coronavirus Treatment
By GreatGameIndia - February 1, 2020

China is using HIV drugs for Coronavirus treatment. China is using AbbVie Inc’s HIV drugs as an ad-hoc treatment for pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus while the global search for a cure continues

China Using HIV Drugs To Treat Coronavirus
The Beijing branch of China’s National Health Commission said that a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, sold under the brand name Kaletra by AbbVie, is part of its latest treatment plan for patients infected by the virus, which has killed at least 56 people in China and sickened more than 2,000 worldwide.

The NHC said that while there is not yet any effective anti-viral drug, it recommends patients are given two lopinavir and ritonavir tablets twice a day and a dose of alpha-interpheron through nebulization twice daily.

Medical journal Lancet said on Friday that a clinical trial is under way using ritonavir and lopinavir to treat cases of the new coronavirus. Meanwhile, China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention will start developing a vaccine, according to the Global Times.

Wang Guangfa, a respiratory expert at Peking University First Hospital in Beijing who was infected by the virus after visiting Wuhan to inspect to coronavirus patients, told China News Week earlier this week that his doctor recommended he take the HIV drugs to fight the new virus and they worked on him.


7 posted on 01/31/2020 9:06:16 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: LukeL

call up and ask for access- I’m sure they’ll oblige- The Chinese are nice like that-


8 posted on 01/31/2020 9:07:20 PM PST by Bob434
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To: SoConPubbie

Interesting considering faucci mentioned HiV tonight in the briefing. He knows HIV. He dont know what to expect with this one. And he knows it. Just my read. He also looked sullen when the CDc guy closed like he knew it was a lie.


9 posted on 01/31/2020 9:07:21 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga)
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To: catnipman

Makes sense, but who is Ari Allyn-Feuer? Is he an epidemiologist?


10 posted on 01/31/2020 9:08:09 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: catnipman
If you were going to ‘engineer’ a coronavirus in order to weaponize it, a very good place to start would be in altering the envelope proteins - such that the virus could bind to different receptors that the wild-type virus. HIV envelope proteins have a limited repertoire of what they'll bind to, so altering the envelope proteins of coronavirus to make it more like those of HIV would not be a good strategy.

Conversely, if you were trying to engineer new envelope proteins into coronavirus, you might take some of the sequences of HIV envelope proteins (e.g. those sequences that encode a region allowing anchoring/embedding in the lipid envelope) - and then add different sequences to the receptor-binding region of the envelope protein, creating a hybrid envelope protein with only a small amount of HIV sequences.

The bottom line is that the sequencing they've done doesn't exclude, nor conclude that genetic engineering was performed on this strain of coronavirus. I am assuming it wasn't genetically engineered, but such a thing is definitely possible.

11 posted on 01/31/2020 9:08:44 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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Because they were used to treat SARS, it was assumed they may work for this virus.


12 posted on 01/31/2020 9:09:04 PM PST by Brellium ("Thou shalt not shilly shally!" Aron Nimzowitsch)
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To: Bommer
My nightmare scenario is for this to be a bioweapon intended to use a flu virus as a vector to transmit AIDS, which normally requires a blood-to-blood connection.

In other words, years after infection by the coronavirus, the victim develops AIDS.

13 posted on 01/31/2020 9:11:19 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill & Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: catnipman

The fact that there’s a big communist Chinese bio weapons lab right there at the infection epicenter - and that it’s been critiqued for inadequate safety containment - are still very curious.


14 posted on 01/31/2020 9:18:00 PM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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Aww Jeez.. I knew it was Bat boy.


15 posted on 01/31/2020 9:22:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SoConPubbie

There’s only so much they can contain.

We now have 153 people whose blood can be worked over, the virus isolated, and studied in labs.

I wouldn’t be surprised if China is letting out some information in medical circles. I may be wrong with regard to that.

Somehow we had a pretty good idea how to treat the patients we have. It seems the other nations around the world are having some success too.

Of these 153 cases outside China so far, nobody has died.

I don’t think all these nations have optimal medical facilities, or the latest medicines.

Somehow they are making due.

To tell the truth, this is all very interesting.


16 posted on 01/31/2020 9:27:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (It's a New Year, and time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll <hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: Publius
it is a bioweapon. A Chinese bio-weapons researcher stole a corona virussample from a lvl-4 bio research lab in Winnipeg. She also took a few long vacations to Wuhon, were they just happen to have a lvl-4 bio-research lab. I think that's why the Chicoms are freaking our. Somehow it got loose. Commie Karma come to roost.
17 posted on 01/31/2020 9:32:33 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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“Funny because it appears the Chicoms are treating it with HIV drugs”

there’s nothing “funny” about that; you try every available anti-viral on new viruses and hope something might work ... period ...


18 posted on 01/31/2020 9:32:58 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: BenLurkin

“who is Ari Allyn-Feuer?”

in the article:

“Author’s note: I have a Ph.D. in bioinformatics, and am a principal data scientist at a major pharmaceutical company. This paper isn’t directly in my wheelhouse, but it’s pretty close.”


19 posted on 01/31/2020 9:37:30 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

Why would they put HIV in a bio weapon when medical science has almost cured it at this point.


20 posted on 01/31/2020 9:56:23 PM PST by Husker24
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