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1 posted on 12/25/2019 5:26:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Try telling that to the average slob!


2 posted on 12/25/2019 5:35:22 AM PST by laweeks
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I believe the impeachment should be expunged when the charges are deemed without merit in the Senate.


3 posted on 12/25/2019 5:42:17 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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The Criminal State has the house. Nancy Satan has the gavel. We the people can doxx “in order to form a more perfect union”. Think twice ‘rats. There will be no sanctuary cities or sanctuary ratholes. Think Saddam. Americans are still sharp from hunting season.

Merry Christmas!


4 posted on 12/25/2019 5:43:16 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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Republican president accused of not acting like a Democrat. That’s a high crime.


5 posted on 12/25/2019 5:44:05 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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Maybe nothing more....but 230+ representatives voted for it. This couldn’t be political could it?


6 posted on 12/25/2019 5:44:41 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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“By law, President Trump is presumed to be innocent of the accusation until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the alleged crimes in a court of law.”

This is obviously an incorrect statement.

The impeachment/conviction process spelled out in the Constitution does not involve any court of law. There is no punishment except removal from office.

There is no burden of proof specified in the constitution (preponderance of evidence vs. clear and convincing vs. beyond a reasonable doubt). So the author has not explained where he gets the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard from.

There is no appeal or other review process.

When an article starts off like this, it tells you the author isn’t thinking.

The impeachment/conviction process is analogous to an indictment (not a mere charge) and a trial, but the analogy only goes so far, and no one really knows how closely it resembles a criminal trial, except that there are certain ways in which it CLEARLY is not like a criminal trial.

To give one example: A criminal trial requires a unanimous verdict. Conviction in the Senate requires only 2/3 of Senators present voting to convict.

What is reasonable to say is that traditional notions of due process, substantial justice and fair play should prevail. Of course some of those who are after Trump’s scalp would deny, and do deny, that even these basic norms of Anglo-American jurisprudence, developed over the 800 years since the Magna Carta, apply.


8 posted on 12/25/2019 5:46:19 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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Impeachment is a charge. This latest impeachment is A charge that has not even been brought to court. A charge that has no trial date. As such, it is a meaningless and baseless accusation. Without merit.


9 posted on 12/25/2019 5:49:28 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (2/3 of all impeached presidents were impeached because they pissed off Hillary)
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Like Indictment, it is meaningless without a conviction.


10 posted on 12/25/2019 6:05:22 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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The corruptocrats in the house are never going to get back to work. They need to expunged and replaced with people who have a record of doing the people’s business.
Rare birds.


12 posted on 12/25/2019 6:36:21 AM PST by ArtDodger
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justice = accusation + gathering of information to prove a judgment for or against the accused + official actual verdict + acting to give the person what he deserves on the basis of the verdict.

With Trump the process of justice is incomplete. Only the accusation and the gathering of some information has been done. There is no official verdict yet.

14 posted on 12/25/2019 6:56:02 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Totally agree with this article and it’s one of the reasons why Chuck Schumer is so infuriating when he keeps saying the president hasn’t brought forward any evidence to exonerate himself. The president does not need to prove his innocence.

The power to impeach is NOT absolute. The Bill of Right amends the other constitutional powers, including impeachment. In other words, the president is entitled to the same rights as every other citizen as well as some additional rights, like executive privilege, by virtue of being the chief executive.

Congressional Democrats are the ones who are violating their oaths to uphold the constitution. The president doesn’t just have to bend over backwards to let representatives tie up and rip through his administration in search of crimes. That’s not proper congressional oversight. It’s a witch hunt.

Disagreements over the extent of impeachment powers belong in the SCOTUS.


15 posted on 12/25/2019 7:26:12 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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16 posted on 12/25/2019 8:07:01 AM PST by conservativeimage (A Time For War?)
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“I believe her” tells us that accusation is supposed to be proof if the accuser is someone you like and the accused is someone you hate.


17 posted on 12/25/2019 8:32:02 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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Come on, we all know he is guilty of a quid pro quo to help his son avoid an investigation; that he ran guns to Mexican drug cartels; that he exposed classified emails on a personal server; that he then deleted 30,000+ emails in an effort to cover that up, even after they had been subpoenaed; that he left men, including an ambassador to die, then lied about it; that he sold nuclear material to the Russians; that he gave $150 billion to a state that sponsors terrorism; that he weaponized the IRS against political rivals; that he encouraged racism and violent acts against authority...

Oh...wait a sec...that wasn't President Trump, that was members of the previous administration. Apparently President Trump's only real crime is he's trying to (and having more than a little success at) Making America Great Again. The leftist really don't want that, and they really really hate how he's going about it.

This fact is self-evident from the 'rats public statements. They were talking about impeaching President Trump since the moment he was elected. They wanted an impeachment, so they went looking for an excuse. First it was going to be Russian collusion, at one point it was going to be mental incapacitation, at another it was going to be bribery, then quid pro quo, then abuse of power, then...generally anything and everything the 'rats could think of. They have obviously been casting about looking for anything they could use.

Now they're making it even more obvious that impeachment is a political tool, not a response to a serious crime by a President. The 'rats are already talking about impeaching the President again. What for? Oh, it doesn't matter, they'll find some pretext. Talk about abuse of power.

The real lesson here, what every single American should take away from this: The Democrats have nothing for America. They have been working on virtually (perhaps even literally) nothing for the last 3+ years except trying to thwart and remove a duly elected President. The democrats are not interested in improving the economy. The democrats are not interested in improving national security. The democrats are not interested in creating jobs. No, the democrats sole focus has been going after President Trump. Why? Apparently because he is exercising the power of his office to Make America Great Again. The democrats don't want that, they apparently want to make the democrats great and powerful again.

There's your choice America - a President working for us, or an un-American, anti-American party working to obtain power and control over us.

20 posted on 12/25/2019 8:56:27 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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