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To: marktwain

Not a great choice in an apartment due to over penetration. I’ll take a Glock 21 with one of the Korean extended magazines, which I’ve found quite reliable.

Still, he gets a passing grade on the 1st Rule of a Gunfight: Have a Gun.


2 posted on 11/27/2019 3:40:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

“Still, he gets a passing grade on the 1st Rule of a Gunfight: Have a Gun”

Good answer!


26 posted on 11/27/2019 4:47:57 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: FreedomPoster
Not a great choice in an apartment due to over penetration.

In drywall, at close ranges, a 9mm will penetrate further than a .223. Don't take my word for it though. Look at the FBI results or hundreds of articles and videos. Furthermore, with proper frangible ammo, .223 works even better. The reason being that the energy of the round at close distances is so high compared to the mass, the bullet sheds mass quickly and starts disintegrating.

28 posted on 11/27/2019 4:51:38 AM PST by Malsua
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To: FreedomPoster
Still, he gets a passing grade on the 1st Rule of a Gunfight: Have a Gun.
Also good he waited and didn't go chicken-walking out and get shot, but there seems to have been an awful lot of shots exchanged. If he was armed with a 12 gage shotgun loaded with BB or BBB (instead of a jacketed .223 short-barrel rifle ), one shot would have done it, and the neighbors would have been safer.
54 posted on 11/27/2019 8:55:03 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: FreedomPoster

9mm cartridges can over-penetrate, too. If defending yourself in your house, don’t miss. Nearly anything will go through a sheet rock wall and do some damage, and people are not gelatin. Bullets fly right through many parts of the human anatomy. For AR-15 ammo, like other calibers, look at the numbers and penetration depths before choosing self-defense ammo. And don’t miss.

The AR for Home Defense: One Expert’s Opinion
The NRA
by American Rifleman Staff - Tuesday, May 26, 2015
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion/

Best Choices for Self-Defense Ammo (FAQ)
.223
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/#mozTocId803443

In my opinion, training is more important than cartridge choice by far. I’ve seen in person, that even most people in civilian or military uniforms can’t hit what they’re firing at very well, even on ranges. The best marksman as a group are hillbillies.


61 posted on 11/27/2019 2:20:35 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: FreedomPoster

I wrote, “The best marksman as a group are hillbillies.” That should have been marksmen. A long time ago, I lived with hillbillies for years, did years of Army training for a combat specialty and graduated from a police academy.


63 posted on 11/27/2019 2:49:40 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: FreedomPoster
Still, he gets a passing grade on the 1st Rule of a Gunfight: Have a Gun.

And a passing grade on the 2nd rule of a gunfight...have enough ammo. That's why a wheel gun will never be my primary defensive firearm.

68 posted on 11/27/2019 6:40:34 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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