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San Diego's Green New Deal Showcase Unwittingly Reveals an Expensive Future
American Thinker ^ | 11/19/19 | Brian Tomlinson

Posted on 11/20/2019 10:38:34 AM PST by Pining_4_TX

A couple of weeks ago, functionaries from the San Diego’s Metropolitan Transport System (MTS) proudly rolled out one of six new electric buses that they had bought.

These million dollar babies compete with their Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) siblings whose capital cost is nearly half that of the “Green New Deal” machines. The SDMTS spokesman said that they wanted to work the bugs out as they approach the state-mandated regulation that such public transportation be “all green” by 2030. The virtue-signaling peeps in the green-painted electric bus were touting the less noise and benefits to the environment of their vehicles, compared to those pesky CNG-powered coaches.

In my humble opinion, this move to what are known as EV (electric vehicle) buses is part of a conditioning program for passengers to get them used to higher fares, gradually escalated. Let’s face it: There is no rational cost basis for this decision otherwise.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: environment; ev; transportation
When government tries to fix something, it always screws it up.
1 posted on 11/20/2019 10:38:34 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
In my humble opinion, this move to what are known as EV (electric vehicle) buses is part of a conditioning program for passengers to get them used to higher fares, gradually escalated

Yeah, how's that working out for them in Chile?


2 posted on 11/20/2019 10:43:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Electric buses...what a concept!


3 posted on 11/20/2019 10:47:57 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Bonemaker

I used to ride the “Trollies” in da Bronex in the early 1950’s.


4 posted on 11/20/2019 10:51:57 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: Pining_4_TX

San Diego has one of the top-ten best climates according to the Farmer’s Almanac


5 posted on 11/20/2019 10:52:08 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: butlerweave

Yes, too bad it’s in California. ;-)


6 posted on 11/20/2019 10:53:10 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ("Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." ~ H.L. Mencken)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Green = More Expensive = Less people using public transportation = more people using non-Green cars

As usual, dumb leftie programs only end up encouraging the opposite of what they hope to achieve.


7 posted on 11/20/2019 10:53:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

You are so right! Like our sending our plastic to China to be recycled instead of just putting it in landfills. China promptly dumps it in the ocean.


8 posted on 11/20/2019 10:54:54 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ("Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." ~ H.L. Mencken)
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To: Bonemaker

Columbus, Ohio tried out some electric buses back in the 70’s. They had an arm up to a high-voltage line like the old trolleys. I heard they had nothing but problems with them.


9 posted on 11/20/2019 10:55:52 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: billyboy15

Me too in Chicago. As kids we’d put pennies on the tracks and got nice flattened pieces of copper.


10 posted on 11/20/2019 11:01:42 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Pining_4_TX

If you get a map of the power grid surrounding California, like the trash issue, California relies on outside entities to provide for them so that they can claim to be green.

A lot of power flows into California from surrounding states so that they don’t have to build any of those nasty, ugly, smoking, CO2 producing power plants and be self sufficient.


11 posted on 11/20/2019 11:02:39 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Pining_4_TX

So instead of burning natural gas in the bus, they want to burn natural gas at a power plant in Nevada or Arizona, teansmit it to San Diego, and charge the bus. Even considering the costs of transporting the natural gas, I don’t see how this saves anything.


12 posted on 11/20/2019 11:12:44 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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I was stopped at a traffic light yesterday AM in Reno, and my car radio suddenly had the strangest static I have ever heard. It took me a few seconds to realize that an electric Reno transit bus was stopped nest to me, to turn left. The instant I got a separation of about 10 feet, the static stopped.

It was very strange sounding.


13 posted on 11/20/2019 11:18:04 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Bonemaker

LOL, right, I forgot about the flattened pennies. I never did iton Trolly tracks but did it on RR tracks when we moved to NJ.


14 posted on 11/20/2019 11:37:51 AM PST by billyboy15
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To: billyboy15

South Bronx lost their trolley cars after huge snowstorms in late 40s knocked them out of action. Steel wheels on ice and snow is NOT a good idea.


15 posted on 11/20/2019 12:11:52 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey

We lived in the Bronx near the Pelham Pkwy. There were Trollies near there at least until 1949 when we moved just over the GWB to NJ.

My relatives stayed in the Bronx off of Pelham Pkwy and about a mile from the Bronx Zoo. I recall Trollies in that area into the early 50’s.


16 posted on 11/20/2019 1:09:41 PM PST by billyboy15
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To: Boogieman
And where do they get the electricity from?

Coal-powered and natural gas generating plants.

Can't get any dumber than that.

17 posted on 11/20/2019 2:43:41 PM PST by HotHunt (Been there. Done that.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

The Hoover dam holding back Lake
Meade is hydroelectric.


18 posted on 11/20/2019 6:44:29 PM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Pining_4_TX
The blog Schnitzel Republic had an item about the all-electric buses put into use in Wiesbaden. It appears that in harsh winter or summer conditions, the buses will last about three hours and then have to be swapped out for another to continue the run - for another three hours.

In one case, during BITTER weather, the bus had to go back for a recharge after 90 minutes.

I have to wonder why they didn't consider hybrid buses as the stop-and-go pattern would have kept the batteries recharged the whole shift. That's assuming those buses exist.

This in a country who expect to totally rely on green power generation in the next 10-15 years.

19 posted on 11/20/2019 6:45:29 PM PST by Oatka
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To: Oatka

That figures. When will people see just how stupid this all is?


20 posted on 11/21/2019 9:34:12 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ("Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." ~ H.L. Mencken)
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