Scientists extract hydrogen gas from oil and bitumen, giving potential pollution-free energy

WUWT ^ | November 11, 2019 | Goldschmidt Conference

[faucetman]

There is no comparison with the Hindenburg!

Scared of hydrogen, but you are not scared of GASOLINE?

Ever seen videos of propane explosions? The shock wave looks like a nuclear detonation. (or nucular for you W fans).

Here is the recent hydrogen station explosion in Norway aftermath.

https://electrek.co/2019/06/11/hydrogen-station-explodes-toyota-halts-sales-fuel-cell-cars/

BIG DEAL! A gasoline or propane explosion would have been exponentially worse.

Actually it wasn’t an explosion.

“On 10 June 2019, a hydrogen filling station in Norway caught fire. While several media talked about an explosion, the electrolyzer manufacturer involved, Nel, stated that leaked hydrogen gas caught fire in the open air, causing a shock wave.”

https://www.h2-international.com/2019/10/13/fire-at-an-h2-station-in-norway/#more-6313

“Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and electric cars are safe. Don’t believe scared people. They are not going to burst into a cloud of fire every time you hit a curb. And they will protect you quite well in case you do get in an accident.”

https://www.technology.org/2019/10/23/hyundai-nexo-continues-crushing-crash-tests-stop-worrying-about-its-safety/

“The train is made of fuel cells that create electricity through chemical reactions that are made by hydrogen molecules that are found in water. This means that it does not emit any carbon dioxide, only water droplets and steam. You also do not need to worry about its speed because this new train can run at 140 km per hour.”

http://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24051/20191014/hydrogen-train.htm

Hydrogen as a viable fuel is a reality.

[mmichaels1970]

Why, I think you just coined a phrase! “Global Clouding”. Nice.

It was between that and "Global Vaping". But with all of the negative connotations going around and not knowing whether these emissions would contain any THC or Vitamin E, I figured I'd steer clear of that term.

People already can't stand watching PEOPLE vape. Imagine the chaos when all the cars are doing it too.

Hmmmm....maybe we could have scented/flavored exhaust? Like, add a little blueberry spray (or pumpkin spice during the holidays) to your carb and make the entire world smell yummy.

[catnipman]

gee, such hostility ... obviously i meant electrolysis ...

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-electrolysis

https://www.google.com/search?q=water+electricity+hydrogen+oxygen

[spudville]

Being a realist as well as a pessimist I don’t see this as saving consumers a nickel. It will never come to pass unless the public can be dependent on the fuel source and the industry and government can charge and tax enough to keep us in check.

[bert]

while fooling around in my lab last week, I chanced on a method for extracting hydrogen from water!

The bonus, the truly good thing is that in addition to an endless supply of hydrogen, oxygen is produced as a by product.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

Sorry, I was grouchy. I had been arguing facts vs feelings in another forum and my fuse was short. I am sure you meant electrolysis and not the hair removal kind. ;-)

Actually the article addressed O2 production. They claim 5% of the hydrogen produced would be enough to power all O2 production required so it would just be the capital outlay for the O2 plant. I looked at cost and O2 plants don’t look particularly capital intensive. I think the bigger cost would be compressing and storing the hydrogen hence my suggestion for producing electricity from it very close to where it would be produced. IMHO it would only make sense in tar sands and tapped out fields because oil and natural gas are king and queen of easily transportable BTU’s with coal being prince.

[catnipman]

“Sorry, I was grouchy. I had been arguing facts vs feelings in another forum and my fuse was short. I am sure you meant electrolysis and not the hair removal kind. ;-)”

10-4

i have noticed that your posts are usually pretty balanced ...

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

Thanks... I try not to be an ahole but sometimes... I can not help but don my bear shirt and go berserker mode.

[VanShuyten]

“... raises the temperature ...”

Is this some kind of combustion underground?

[Svartalfiar]

Not being a chemist sort I’m wondering about the costs of the oxygen to liberate the hydrogen.

'Free', actually. Assuming the scientists here are correct, the last line of the excerpt has the answer you seek:

Around 5% of the H2 produced then powers the oxygen production plant, so the system more than pays for itself.